Pedroski Posted October 19, 2014 at 06:24 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 at 06:24 AM Would you agree with this translation? 当以长虹为首的“大老虎”惊醒时，TCL已经杀入了彩电三强。 At the time when the "old tiger", market leader Changhong, woke up to the new situation, TCL had already boxed its way into the top 3 among colour TV companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhangJiang Posted October 19, 2014 at 01:52 PM Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 at 01:52 PM I'd translate it as follows if in a word-to-word way. When the “big tigers”, among which Changhong was the leader, woke up to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted October 20, 2014 at 12:02 AM Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 at 12:02 AM [当 [[[[以长虹为首] 的] “大老虎”] 惊醒] 时] 以...为... ...的X 当...时, ... Those are the three relevant patterns. In order to arrive at your translation, you would have had to have misinterpreted the first and to a lesser extent second one. 以...为... <- to take something to be something, to use something as something, to consider something as something, with something as something, etc. 以...为主 以...为首 以...为天 all follow that pattern. 首 implies there is more than one. The ...的X can be more wordily represented with "the X that ..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedroski Posted October 20, 2014 at 07:02 AM Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 at 07:02 AM When the “big tigers”, among which Changhong was the leader, woke up to... 为首的“大老虎” = as first of big old tiger(s) Aha! 当以长虹为首的“大老虎”惊醒时，TCL已经杀入了彩电三强。 By the time that Changhong, as leader of the old guard woke up to the new situation, TCL had already boxed its way into the top 3 of the colour TV industry. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneEye Posted October 20, 2014 at 07:15 AM Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 at 07:15 AM No. The subject of the sentence is not Changhong, but "the big tigers." "以長虹為首的" modifies 大老虎. So you could strip that out and be left with "當「大老虎」驚醒時..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedroski Posted October 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM Aha, thanks! 当以长虹为首的“大老虎”惊醒时，TCL已经杀入了彩电三强。 By the time the old guard , with Changhong as its leader, woke up to the new situation, TCL had already boxed its way into the top 3 of the colour TV industry. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted October 20, 2014 at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 at 04:18 PM I think old guard is an odd translation. Also, I gave you the word segmentation, "[以长虹为首]的" and you still separated it as "[为首]的". When you see that 的, you need to be able to identify where the modifying clause starts otherwise you're going to make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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