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  2. Mandarincave

    Does 易雪金 sound good?

    A little suggestion for your consideration. 金 and 鑫 are a little bit masculine for names. You may consider 易雪铃 which is feminine and also has the element of gold.
  3. phills

    Refilling the pipeline

    @Publius If I were to choose one of the 4 classic novels, which is easier 红楼梦 or 三国演义? I know the 三国 story & characters quite well (I've read an abridged English translation long ago, plus I've watched a few movie adaptations / played some video games), so it's just a matter of deciphering the text and matching them to the plot parts I already know. 红楼梦 I know the general gist (it's about a rich family with a wayward son and girl cousin, and some kind of special Taoist/Buddhist gem). But I'm thinking of taking advantage of the chengyu list from the forum, and see how far I can get with it. They're both too long to read in one sitting, but I might pick off a chapter or 2 in between other stuff, and slowly work my through them. Do you have any opinion on picking between the two?
  4. Well, to get a feel of 文言文: 😛 《聊齋志異·狐聯》   焦生,章丘石虹先生之叔弟也,讀書園中,宵分有二美人來,顏色雙絕。一可十七八,一約十四五,撫几展笑。焦知其狐,正色拒之。長者曰:「君髯如戟,何無丈夫氣?」焦曰:「僕生平不敢二色。」女笑曰:「迂哉!子尚守腐局耶?下元鬼神,凡事皆以黑爲白,况牀笫間瑣事乎?」焦又咄之。女知不可動,乃云:「君名下士,妾有一聯,請爲屬對。能對我自去:戊戍同體,腹中止欠一點。」焦凝思不就。女笑曰:「名士固如此乎?我代對之可矣:己巳連踪,足下何不雙挑?」一笑而去。
  5. Well I never studied it, and the passages probably arent fully 文言文. I could guess a lot of the meaning, but there were some tough sections. It's like reading Shakespeare and seeing a bunch of thou's, such's and mayest's all of a sudden. If you understand your single characters well (I suppose those are called morphemes), especially the multiple meanings / usages each single character can have, you can decipher a lot of it. I'm not an expert on what exactly 文言文 is, but to me, it's much more compact and uses many single character words rather than double character words. Thus my taking a short detour to do single character drills again while reading it. The forum thread has a lot of explanations, by chapter, in case you get stuck. They're all gated behind spoiler tags for the most part, so it won't spoil you to check it after each chapter.
  6. I've been told by a highly advanced L2 Mandarin speaker on Reddit that one develops a general understanding of the fundamentals of 文言文 as a matter of consequence of learning Mandarin to a high level. In your opinion, is such incidental knowledge sufficient to understand these sections, or is more formal study required?
  7. 黄有光

    What are you reading?

    OMG! This is on my reading list!!! I probably get around to it this upcoming year, but definitely 2023. I can't wait.
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  9. Insectosaurus

    Best Chinese Dicts

    @shawky.nasrI must admit this was the answer I expected, but one can always dream! 🙃 One day, perhaps!
  10. shawky.nasr

    Best Chinese Dicts

    You are so optimistic, Chinese dictionaries industry lag behind English and others languages dictionaries. They didn't use corpus yet, that part Usage Examples depends on corpus sentences. I hope one day will be something similar to Vocabulary.com. But be sure, will be not for free 😂, making money important than making good dictionary.
  11. Insectosaurus

    Best Chinese Dicts

    Are there any Chinese dictionaries like Vocabulary.com or, if not, Oxford's Learner's Dictionary? Vocabulary.com offer much simpler and elaborate definitions than standard dictionaries. See bucolic and compare it to a normal dictionary: 1. relating to the pleasant aspects of the countryside and country life 2. a pastoral poem. Note that these dictionaries have definitions for more uncommon words as well, which is what I'm after (in Chinese), since my vocabulary is already quite large.
  12. There are many words that contain the character "散", many words that contain the character "失", and many other such words, that some learners may find disorienting. I personally get confused sometimes when trying to determine which character, that contains 散, is the best word to use, and which word, that describes a "falling" action, best fits the scenario that I'm in. Also, I would often quickly forget what exactly are the differences between 过失、过错、缺失, and the similarities between 失落、流失、散落. Therefore, in order to really clarify things for myself, I decided to collect all such words that I find confusing, and group them up into different categories, based on their semantics. I'm sharing it here with you guys, as I think some of you might find this helpful. The most important part about this document is the categorization. Studying the exact differences between similar words in the same category is very easy to achieve, as you can just do that by yourself by consulting a dictionary. That's why I'm not providing definitions here. Additionally, since some of these words have slight differences in usage (for example, some are rather literary, and some are more verb-focused than others), I decided to provide representative examples that show, roughly, how these words should be used, and I also indicated which words are literary (with the character "文"). Anyway, here is the main text: 介绍: 对于很多汉语水平有待提高的人而言,很多带散字的词语容易混淆。同时,带失字的词,错误一词的同义词,和表示往下降落的词,都也很多,而如何正确地使用这些词可以令人疑惑。为了增强辨别和造句的能力,本人把它们划分并归类了起来。以下是包含这种词及许多与之类似的词的列表,再往后看则是按词义归类的二十五个范畴。每个范畴之下有对属该范畴下的所有词的意义上的共同点的说明、词语列表,和对每个词的例句;大多数例句都采自《现代汉语规范词典》和zaojv.com,少数则来自网上的其他来源。 以下凡加“*”号的,代表词语出现在多个范畴 。范畴和词语的排列次序并没有特别意义。对于每个词的具体释义,我相信读者可以亲自用辞书查词。 同义词列表: 错过、错失、失措、过错、过失、失落、不是、丢失、流失、散失、失散、懒散、散发、散乱、分散、离散、散播、散心、散漫、松散、流散、散落、流离、零散、失掉、丧失、丢掉、遗失、遗落、失去、差错、错误、谬误、舛错、舛讹、纰缪、着落、下落、延误、耽误、迟误、耽搁、贻误、毛病、纰漏、缺漏、大错、疏忽、落空、消散、散开、消失、失踪、错落、发散、涣散、散布、散步、扩散、疏松、流落、损失、疏漏、漏失、漏掉、掉落、降下、下降、低落、落下、降落、掉入、遗漏、舛误、拖延、延迟、缺损、漏洞、欠缺、缺点、缺陷、迈步、阔步、漫步、信步、失误、掉下、脱漏、迟延、迁延、推迟、推托、推诿、推脱、残缺、缺欠、疏散、闲散、疏落、疏失、悖误、错乱、耗散、拆散、荒谬、延宕、坐失、迷失、丢下、错漏、缺失、懒惰 按词义分组类聚: 范畴一;说明:由占据人意识的小部分,转换隐去的状态,不再占据人的意识,亦不再能刺激感官。 甲类一;说明:客观事物变不见。 词语列表: *消失 例句:飞机消失在云层里。 *耗散 例句:他们生了很多儿女,却把他们当作路人一样疏远,自己沉溺于酒色之中,赌博游荡,耗散家产,来图一时的痛快。 甲类二;说明:指跟客观事物失去联系、维系,或者跟客观事物失去联系、维系的状况,或者使群体组织离散。 词语列表: *失落 例句:这位很有魅力又有些无赖的德雷克正在追寻那失落的马可波罗舰队。你要要经历无数拳脚、枪战,克服重重困难才能找到它。 *失去 例句:这位来自绵阳北川,失去双手的“九零后”身残志不残,他以风趣幽默,乐观自信的态度,令现场所有人几乎忘记了他是一名失去双臂的人。 丢失 例句:小明四处寻找他丢失了的小狗。 *流失 例句:制止国有资产流失。例句:只有大量植树种草,才能防止水土流失。 *散失 例句:馆藏古书多已散失。 *散落 例句:遗墨多有散落。 *掉落 例句:昨天我在公交车上掉落了一个黑色皮夹。 遗失 例句:所藏字画大部遗失。 *丢掉 例句:为了找寻丢掉的钱包,他已在路上来回走了好几趟。 *遗落 例句:稿子在搬迁时遗落了。 失散 例句:亲人在战乱中失散了。 *离散 例句:离散多年的夫妻终于团聚了。 〈文〉流离 例句:在那兵荒马乱的年月里,黎民百姓流离失所,不得安宁。 失踪 例句:小明失踪了三天后安然无恙地回来了,这令小明的家人松了一口气。 损失 例句:洪水所带来的灾害损失太大了。 *拆散 例句:一个好端端的公司被拆散了。 *缺失 例句:原稿已缺失多页。 甲类三;说明:基于物理却看不见的客观事物失去。 词语列表: *散失 例句:冬天,皮肤的水分容易散失。例句:茶叶的香味都散失了。 *耗散 例句:然后根据熵产率,分析体系中的能量耗散和此时的唯象理论。 甲类四;说明:指抽象事物减少至消失,或者立刻消失。 词语列表: 丧失 例句:我们再穷也不能丧失良心。 *失掉 例句:考不上,不要紧,明年再考嘛!千万不要失掉勇气。 *失去 例句:当我滑冰滑得正高兴时,不料身体失去平衡,重重地摔了一跤,痛得我好半天才爬起来。 *流失 例句:近一年以来,肥效流失让了很多农民朋友收获很少。 *消散 例句:满腹愁绪已经消散。 *消失 例句:他曾经的豪情壮志消失了。 *耗散 例句:夏季五忌:忌出大汗,耗散阳气;忌贪冷凉,寒邪入侵;忌心烦躁,虚火上旺;忌食油腻,肠胃紊乱;忌常熬夜,透支身体。身体要忌,心无禁忌,祝你如意! *丢掉 例句:他嗜酒如命,每饮必烂醉如泥,以至工作丢掉,生活无靠。 范畴二;说明:错过。 词语列表: *失掉 例句:“文革”期间,一代青年失掉了上大学的机会。 错过 例句:遇事犹犹豫豫的,往往会错过机会。 *错失 例句:面对机遇和挑战时,不能顾虑重重,错失良机。 范畴三;说明:与事物或事物元素之间的低密度有关。 甲类一;说明:指基于物理却看不见的客观事物之间在空间上不密集,或变得不密集。 词语列表: *散播 例句:各人对病毒束手无策,而住在附近的知情居民已经准备将他们斩尽杀绝以免病毒散播。 *发散 例句:热源直接向空间发散热量的方式称为热辐射。 甲类二;说明:指客观事物零乱,或之间在空间上不密集,或变得不密集。 词语列表: *疏落 例句:那疏疏落落的团团白云,好像全都凝固了似的,映照着明丽的阳光,像银子一般耀眼。 *疏散 例句:李伟顿时鲜血迸流,但他不顾伤痛,一边大声呼喊疏散群众,一边和丁阳一道紧紧追赶持刀男子。 流散 例句:流散的古籍善本已陆续搜集起来。 *散落 例句:天边传来一声淡淡的雷响,他仿佛被雷声所惊,手一松不小心将果品掉在棋盘上,敲得棋盘铛铛直响,本来星罗棋布的落子也散落四周,刚才的棋局顿时被敲得七零八散。 散开 例句:看热闹的人都散开了。 *消散 例句:浓烟在高空渐渐消散。 零散 例句:把零散的资金集中起来。 *散发 例句:示威者们向行人散发传单。 *分散 例句:为了坚持敌后斗争,保存实力,党组织决定将这支部队化整为零,分散到各县去和敌人继续战斗。 *散布 例句:杂货铺散布在全城各个角落。 *散乱 例句:桌上散乱地放着些书报。 扩散 例句:化工厂排放的污染物不断扩散。 疏松 例句:冻土融化后,地表土壤疏松。例句:蚯蚓能疏松土壤。 *拆散 例句:不要把整套纪念邮票拆散了。 甲类三;说明:表示一样抽象事物内在结构不密集、不紧密,或多样抽象事物之间不密集、不紧密,或使抽象事物不密集、不紧密。 词语列表: *疏落 例句:缅军的攻击在号音停止后开始,先是疏落的枪声,接着便有重机枪迫击炮参加,再接着便是冲锋号起,那些骠悍的钦族士兵和凶残成性的国际兵团在冲锋号音下,如醉如狂的向我们阵地猛扑,这一次缅军比上一次大战要强劲百倍,无论素质和武器,都使孤军震惊,不久铁丝网就被冲开一道约五十公尺宽的缺口,邹浩修营长在无线电中向猛撒总部请示行止。 *疏散 例句:阴雨连绵夜已深,枪声疏散炮声沉。 *离散 例句:离散信号是在连续信号上采样得到的信号。 *散漫 例句:分区建成的几支海军,装备不精,船械不一,人员缺乏,训练无素,组织散漫,各自为政,分疆而守,互不为谋,种种缺陷,纷然杂陈。 *散乱 例句:在一次重要的开示中,佛陀解释了五种方法以驱离散乱思绪。 *分散 例句:上课时,我们不应该分散注意力。例句:正日也许想在美国精力分散且身担数任之时制造麻烦,以取得这个超级强权的妥协让步。 甲类四;说明:带有人类色彩的抽象事物散发、散布,或环境中的抽象元素散发、散布。 词语列表: *散发 例句:新翻过的田里散发出泥土的气息。 *散布 例句:阴奉阳违两面三刀说三道四散布谣言。 *散播 例句:不能听任这种歪理邪说到处散播。 范畴四;说明:错落。 词语列表: 错落 例句:楼台亭阁高低错落,形态各异。 范畴五;说明:降落,或者遗留下,或者某些可测量的性质下降。 词语列表: *散落 例句:雪花飘飘洒洒地散落在原野上。 落下 例句:这是她昨天落下的皮包。例句:小雨点自天空纷纷落下。 *降落 例句:跳伞运动员缓缓降落在广场上。 *掉落 例句:车辆掉落山沟,所幸人员顺利获救。 掉入 例句:由于将军的神机妙算,敌人果真掉入我军事先安排的陷阱。 *下落 例句:飞机缓缓下落。 降下 例句:因这次降下太多冰雹,造成农作物损失惨重。 下降 例句:滑翔机徐徐下降。例句:体温有所下降。 低落 例句:最近干旱,水库水位低落。 掉下 例句:她伤心难过的掉下了眼泪。 范畴六;说明:与当前含有害因素有关。 甲类一;说明:错误的或该改正的错误,或者该解决的毛病,或者暗指该解决的问题的(比如:不符合客观实际的,不能取得好效果的行为、认识等,心理臆测的疏失,语言运用的疏失,因疏忽大意或举措不当而产生的差错,因疏忽大意或举措不当而产生差错,毛病,或者漏失)。 词语列表: 错误 例句:这种说法是很错误的。例句:要改正错误。 过失 例句:丢失文件是机要人员的过失。例句:他为了自卫而过失杀人。 悖误 例句:用“雪上加霜”来形容失败后坚强站起来的情况,也可算是语言悖误了。 *差错 例句:盘点库存要仔细,不要有差错。 失误 例句:由于判断失误,她不小心撞到跨栏上。例句:纠正初稿中的失误。 疏失 例句:事关重大,不得有半点儿疏失。 *错失 例句:对自己的错失不能姑息。 过错 例句:工作出现了过错。 不是 例句:快去赔个不是。 谬误 例句:谬误是经不起实践检验的。 *〈文〉舛错 例句:书中多有舛错。 〈文〉 舛讹 例句:是以机谋在己,取舍如神,国令既行,人情大附,舛讹归正,遐迩无愆。可谓大含溟海,安纳泰山矣! 〈文〉纰缪 例句:时有纰缪。 荒谬 例句:这个观点荒谬得很。 毛病 例句:电视机出毛病了,图像不清。例句:又抽烟又喝酒,毛病不少。例句:一点儿小毛病,不碍事。 大错 例句:不知几州铁,铸此一大错。 *漏失 例句:火箭发射的丝毫漏失都会造成严重后果。 〈文〉舛误 例句:仓促之间,略有舛误,亦在所难免。 缺点 例句:这种产品有缺点。 缺陷 例句:郑丰喜先生虽然有先天上的缺陷,但是仍然苦学不懈。 *缺欠 例句:该文的缺欠是言辞过于艰涩。 错漏 例句:引文错漏不少。 *缺失 例句:经验不足,难免出现缺失。 甲类二;说明:与应弥补或盖住的地方,或者不足之处有关的名词。 词语列表: 漏洞 例句:壶底有漏洞。例句:这是管理上的漏洞,要设法堵住。 纰漏 例句:出了一点小纰漏。 *欠缺 例句:指出工作中的欠缺。 *缺漏 例句:这本书缺漏了许多内容。例句:要弥补缺漏。 *疏漏 例句:不能有半点儿疏漏。 甲类三;说明:变故。 词语列表: *差错 例句:这次出游可别出什么差错。 *〈文〉舛错 例句:倘有舛错,悔之晚矣。 范畴七;说明:表示该有的缺少的动词。 词语列表: 遗漏 例句:文章遗漏了两个重要数据。 脱漏 例句:毛衣袖口脱漏了一针。 漏掉 例句:赶快把你的登山装备检查一遍,看看有没有漏掉什么。 *遗落 例句:成本预算中不该遗落排污建设费。 *欠缺 例句:年轻人欠缺经验,但请不要忘记:年轻是你最大的本钱。 *缺漏 例句:这本书缺漏了许多内容。 *疏漏 例句:这起事故是因管理疏漏所致。 *漏失 例句:不是什麽事情都一定要那般严肃地去看待,偶而让自己学著放松一点,也不见得就一定会漏失掉些什麽。 *缺欠 例句:我们缺少的不是机遇,而是对机遇的把握;我们缺欠的不是财富,而是创造财富的本领;我们缺乏的不是知识,而是学而不厌的态度;我们缺少的不是理想,而是身体力行的实践。 范畴八;说明:基于事件系列的抽象事物的不紧凑、不紧密(比如:情节结构、联合形式或关系不紧凑、不紧密)。 词语列表: *松散 例句:在抗联刚刚成立时,仅仅是一个结构松散的游击队组织。他们面对日本侵略者在东北揭竿而起。 范畴九;说明:失措。 词语列表: 失措 例句:一听到这个可怕的消息,小张吓得举止失措。 范畴十;说明:失意的样子。 词语列表: *失落 例句:刚刚退休,心里总感到非常失落。 流落 例句:解放前,我一度流落异乡,囊空如洗,举目无亲,只好吴市吹箫,靠讨饭过日子。 范畴十一;说明:散漫或不勤快,或者使松弛散漫。 词语列表: 懒惰 例句:这种病多是由懒惰和不良生活习惯引起的。 *散漫 例句:小王自由散漫惯了,一开会就迟到,我们应该认真和他谈谈。 懒散 例句:应该用纪律约束懒散的工作人员。 涣散 例句:班主任出差后,这个班的纪律有些涣散了。例句:这些问题,如果不从思想根源上认清其危害,听之任之,必将对审计人员履职尽责产生消极影响,其结果只会是涣散斗志,影响团结,阻碍发展。 *离散 例句:只有人心离散,魔鬼才能闯得进来。 *松散 例句:今年是省局确定的“作风建设年”,如何以此为契机,有效解决单位和个人作风涣散、纪律松散的问题,是每个领导者必须思考的课题。 范畴十二;说明:使松弛,或舒畅,或宽松舒缓。 词语列表: *松散 例句:松散松散紧张的心情。 散心 例句:去听听相声,散散心。 范畴十三;说明:疏忽(动词)。 词语列表: 疏忽 例句:这个细节我疏忽了。 范畴十四;说明:扔掉、抛弃或搁下。 词语列表: *丢掉 例句:丢掉幻想,准备斗争。 丢下 例句:宝钗见他怔了,自己倒不好意思的,丢下串子,回身才要走,只见林黛玉蹬着门槛子,嘴里咬着手帕子笑呢。 范畴十五;说明:与人或物所在的或该常去的地方有关。 词语列表: 着落 例句:失散多年的妹妹终于有了着落。例句:孤寡老人进了敬老院,从此有了着落。例句:经费有着落,事情就好办多了。 *下落 例句:那个走失的孩子至今下落不明。 范畴十六;说明:意味着以前或现在的事件导致以后达到不佳结果的动词(比如:拖延、因错误遗留下来而造成不良后果、坐失良机,或者落空)。 词语列表: 延误 例句:华校尉莫要延误战机,速速去东面与郡兵内外夹攻。 耽误 例句:手续太繁杂了,真耽误事。 拖延 例句:这笔货款拖延了三个月才到位。 迟误 例句:这个命令要及时下达,不得迟误。 *耽搁 例句:这件事一天也不能耽搁。例句:因为误诊,把病耽搁了。 贻误 例句:女性择偶,一次失误,或将贻误终生。 落空 例句:今年考上研究所的目标又落空了。 延迟 例句:抢救伤员1秒钟也不能延迟。 迟延 例句:迟延了交工时间。 迁延 例句:人生如白驹过隙,似此迁延岁月,何日恢复中原乎? 推迟 例句:随着疫情防控形势的不断变化,国内多所高校发布了开学相关安排,其中部分高校选择推迟开学,部分高校通知暂缓返校,也有极个别高校选择提前开学。 〈文〉延宕 例句:切勿延宕,以免坐失良机。 坐失 例句:他做事优柔寡断,狐疑不决,常常坐失良机。 范畴十七;说明:暂停前进。 词语列表: *耽搁 例句:在重庆耽搁了几天。 范畴十八;说明:走步。 词语列表: 散步 例句:每逢闲暇时刻,他喜欢到郊外散步。 迈步 例句:孩子学会迈步了。 阔步 例句:昂首阔步从检阅台前走过。 漫步 例句:解放军战士排着整齐的方阵阔步前进。 信步 例句:信步来到一座美丽的花园。 范畴十九;说明:缺损。 词语列表: 缺损 例句:新到的这批设备缺损严重,无法安装。例句:这幅画有几处缺损。 残缺 例句:这本书残缺严重。 范畴二十;说明:推托。 词语列表: 推托 例句:他推托有事,不来了。 范畴二十一;说明:推脱去,或者清闲少事。 词语列表: 推脱 例句:这个责任他是无法推脱的。 推诿 例句:不能互相推诿。 *闲散 例句:自谓才所宜为孔子之副,尝以职位闲散,怏怏不平,怨谤无已。 范畴二十二;说明:悠闲自在。 词语列表: *闲散 例句:开学日到了,打起百倍的精神,打理闲散的心情,开始新的征程。 *疏散 例句:此人疏散成性,难于成事。 范畴二十三;说明:闲置不用的。 词语列表: *闲散 例句:社会闲散资金是指掌握在群众手中的零星、闲置的货币资金,以及企业在再生产过程中,因季节性生产与采购、销售与购买、销售与支付工资等不一致和折旧的提取、利润留成的积累等等,而暂时闲置的资金。 范畴二十四;说明:错乱。 词语列表: 错乱 例句:但是他欢天喜地地为自己辩解,简直像精神错乱了一样。 范畴二十五;说明:迷失。 词语列表: 迷失 例句:在森林里走路,往往会迷失方向。
  13. phills

    List of more than 40,000 chengyu

    A giant list like this is pretty handy if you're into scripting. So I would thank you just for that alone! To make it more useful as a study aid for myself, I ran your list of Chap 1 chengyu from 红楼梦, and found about 2/3rd of them in CE-dict. https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/61737-list-of-all-chengyu-in-红楼梦/#comment-483571 One thing I noticed is while doing that is how many chengyu variants there are. Another thing you can consider doing to organize the list is to try to group all the variants together. Finally, I have a list of 7000 chengyu that's supposed to be reverse sorted by order of frequency. I got it from the internet -- you can probably find an even bigger frequency list out there somewhere. But 7000 + variants probably gets you to around 10k out of the your 40k total. All of those + filtering it against a particular book would probably make a handy vocab starter list for tackling a complicated work.
  14. phills

    What are you reading?

    Blade Runner is a Phillip Dick story, and his stories have a very Noirish feel. But to me the most proto-typical Noir Detective is Sam Spade, detective in the Maltese Falcon by Daniel Hammett. Those types of stories were popular in the US in the first half of the 20th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Spade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noir_fiction Wikipedia says: "In this subgenre, right and wrong are not clearly defined, while the protagonists are seriously and often tragically flawed." Also, "generally featuring a disturbing mixture of sex and violence," and "a typical protagonist of noir fiction is forced to deal with a corrupt legal, political or other system, through which the protagonist is either victimized and/or has to victimize others, leading to a lose-lose situation." But I think of it as the noir detective smokes a lot, is cynical about the corrupt world, has money troubles, finds it hard to disentangle the victim and the victimizer in his cases, and gets in trouble because of his soft spot for dangerous dames; often is played by Humphrey Bogart. The 海豚酒吧 with the taciturn bartender, the constant smoking & drinking, the old newspaper clippings, the author trying to go her own way but also running away from her emotions, the money troubles, the corrupt society with the rich & famous victimizing others, the casual murders, and dangerous liaisons with the 兽 (where it's often unclear who's the abuser and who's being abused) are all very Noir-ish elements.
  15. 骏马的丕沿🤯

    List of more than 40,000 chengyu

    Sorry, I'm not exactly sure! I'm sharing this chengyu list only because it's data that I think can be important to others. The reason that I created this list is that I wasn't able to find a list of chengyu like this on the internet in the first place. So, here I am, providing that here, in case anyone wants to use this data in some way. Personally, I find this list useful, but that's only because I have a script that returns all the chengyu that appear in a given chunk of text. I'm currently reading 红楼梦。Before every chapter, I sit down with my 成语 dictionary, and study all of the 成语 that appear in the chapter I'm about to read (I do this because I'm interested in learning more chengyu). This is only possible because I have a giant list that tells me all of the chengyu that appear in each chapter in 红楼梦,and I have this giant list because: 1) I scraped a ton of chengyu from the internet, and put them in a CSV file, and 2) utilized this CSV file in my other script, so as to find out which chengyu appear in which chapters. Efficiently studying chengyu in this way would be impossible without this programming component. I would share this script with you, but it would have to be via github, and I'm not even well-versed with github in the first place, and am also not very experienced in "exporting" programs/scripts to other users, so I'm not sure how I would go about doing that.
  16. Publius

    What are you reading?

    I have to admit I don't quite get the noir concept. Blade Runner is described as "future noir" and Veronica Mars "teen noir". So what exactly is "noir"?
  17. mungouk

    List of more than 40,000 chengyu

    So how do you imagine we might do that, any ideas? 40,000 is more of a dictionary than anything else... how are you using it yourself? There doesn't seem to be any data in there apart from the text itself — definitions and particularly frequency data (how commonly are they used) would be very useful... are you able to add that? Thanks!
  18. mungouk

    Reading Yu Hua's "To Live"

    Personally I would not want to watch the movie (or any movie) before finishing the book... I wonder why you put this at week 3?
  19. phills

    List of all Chengyu in 红楼梦

    I have a script that runs words against CC-cedict (which is creative commons and you can download it into a file, so it's highly scriptable). I ran the first chapter chengyu from @骏马的丕沿 against it, to see how many in the dictionary. It finds 31 out of 49 (63%). (The script calls something a "possible variant" if it matches 3 of the 4 characters of the chengyu (matches n-1 of n). Without the fuzzy match, it'd be missing a lot more of them.) I figure this is somewhat useful as a study aid. Some of those entries that can't be found, you can sort of guess the meaning. I'll run some more, once I get closer to actually reading 红楼梦, if people are interested. Chapter 1 温柔乡| possible variant of 温柔, wen1 rou2 gentle and soft / tender 风尘碌碌| 一事无成| yi1 shi4 wu2 cheng2 to have achieved nothing / to be a total failure / to get nowhere 无可如何| possible variant of 无可奈何, wu2 ke3 nai4 he2 have no way out / have no alternative / abbr. to >無奈:无奈[wu2 nai4] 饫甘餍肥| yu4 gan1 yan4 fei2 to live off the fat of the land (idiom) / to have a luxurious lifestyle 阶柳庭花| 炼石补天| 说说笑笑| 荣华富贵| rong2 hua2 fu4 gui4 glory, splendor, wealth and rank (idiom); high position and great wealth 补天济世| 美中不足| mei3 zhong1 bu4 zu2 everything is fine except for one small defect (idiom); the fly in the ointment 乐极悲生| possible variant of 乐极生悲, le4 ji2 sheng1 bei1 extreme joy turns to sorrow (idiom); Don't celebrate too soon, things could still go wrong! 无中生有| wu2 zhong1 sheng1 you3 to create something from nothing (idiom) 簪缨之族| 安身乐业| possible variant of 安居乐业, an1 ju1 le4 ye4 to live in peace and work happily (idiom) 离合悲欢| possible variant of 悲欢离合, bei1 huan1 li2 he2 joys and sorrows / partings and reunions / the vicissitudes of life 炎凉世态| possible variant of 世态炎凉, shi4 tai4 yan2 liang2 the hypocrisy of the world (idiom) 不可胜数| bu4 ke3 sheng4 shu3 countless / innumerable 屠毒笔墨| tu2 du2 bi3 mo4 poisonous writing / disparaging writing / calumny 不可胜数| bu4 ke3 sheng4 shu3 countless / innumerable 佳人才子| jia1 ren2 cai2 zi3 beautiful lady, gifted scholar (idiom) / pair of ideal lovers 者也之乎| possible variant of 之乎者也, zhi1 hu1 zhe3 ye3 lit. 之[zhi1], 乎[hu1], 者[zhe3] and 也[ye3] (four grammatical particles of Classical Chinese) (idiom); fig. archaic expressions 自相矛盾| zi4 xiang1 mao2 dun4 to contradict oneself / self-contradictory / inconsistent 消愁破闷| possible variant of 消愁解闷, xiao1 chou2 jie3 men4 lit. to eliminate worry and dispel melancholy (idiom); diversion from boredom / to dispel depression or melancholy / to relieve stress / a relaxing pass-time 离合悲欢| possible variant of 悲欢离合, bei1 huan1 li2 he2 joys and sorrows / partings and reunions / the vicissitudes of life 父慈子孝| fu4 ci2 zi3 xiao4 benevolent father, filial son (idiom) / natural love between parents and children 称功颂德| 从头至尾| possible variant of 从头到尾, cong2 tou2 dao4 wei3 from start to finish / from head to tail / the whole (thing) 风流冤孽| 风流人物| possible variant of 风云人物, feng1 yun2 ren2 wu4 the man (or woman) of the moment (idiom) / influential figure 偷香窃玉| tou1 xiang1 qie4 yu4 lit. stolen scent, pilfered jade (idiom); philandering / secret illicit sex 不知所云| bu4 zhi1 suo3 yun2 to not know what sb is driving at / to be unintelligible 一面之缘| possible variant of 一面之交, yi1 mian4 zhi1 jiao1 to have met once / casual acquaintance 山崩地陷| 粉妆玉琢| 疯疯癫癫| feng1 feng5 dian1 dian1 deranged / erratic 有命无运| 烟消火灭| 美酒佳肴| 久居人下| 红日三竿| 接二连三| jie1 er4 lian2 san1 one after another (idiom) / in quick succession 牵五挂四| 鼠窃狗偷| 贫病交攻| possible variant of 贫病交加, pin2 bing4 jiao1 jia1 poverty compounded by ill health (idiom) 作嫁衣裳| 死去活来| si3 qu4 huo2 lai2 to hover between life and death (idiom) / to suffer terribly / within an inch of one's life 无可奈何| wu2 ke3 nai4 he2 have no way out / have no alternative / abbr. to 無奈:无奈[wu2 nai4] 目瞪口呆| mu4 deng4 kou3 dai1 dumbstruck (idiom); stupefied / stunned
  20. phills

    What are you reading?

    I just finished 异兽志. It's a fun book, although it's harder than it first seems. On the plus side, it has more twists per page than any other book I've read. The twists keep you persevering through, and forum thread is really helpful. I was thinking of how to characterize the novel's style, and I would say it's a combo of a: 1. Noir Detective Novel (hard drinking/chain smoking, cynical corrupt world), but swap the detective for an author, 2. Phillip Dick sci-fi story (identity confusion, world not what it seems), 3. Magic from the Witcher series (ironic curses / beasts that ruin families' lives -- particularly the Witcher books start with a bunch of macabre Fairy Tales), set in a modernish setting, with Chinese characteristics. Since I like Phillip Dick, noir detective settings and the Witcher series, it was right up my alley. Hopefully it improved my Chinese abilities too. I'm going to see if it did, by moving on to reading 雪山飞狐 by 金庸 next.
  21. Publius

    Doubts about Chinese culture

    酒吞童子: 大江山伝説に登場する鬼神。酒吞は酒天・酒伝・酒顛なども書く。源頼光と渡辺綱・坂田金時ら四天王が、大江山に住む酒呑童子という鬼を退治する話は、14世紀後半成立の《大江山絵詞》にみえることから、これ以前に原型が成立したと考えられる。その後室町時代の制作にかかる謡曲《大江山》、《酒伝童子絵巻》を経、御伽草子の《酒吞童子》や近世初頭成立の古浄瑠璃《酒天童子》などによって人々になじみ深いものとなった。酒吞童子の名称は、《大江山絵詞》では〈酒を深く愛する者〉ゆえの名となっているが、そのストーリーが中国の白猿伝説の影響を受けているとみて、〈斉天大聖(チイーテイエンダーシヨン)〉の名を借りたのでは、と説も出されている。大江山は元来は都のあたりにほど近い老ノ坂であったらしいが、《大江山絵詞》では丹波・丹後の千丈ケ嶽の大江山、《酒伝童子絵巻》では近江伊吹山となっている。大江山に鬼神がこもるとする観念は、老ノ坂が都(山城国)と外界を隔てる境界の性格をもった場所であったこと、疫神の侵入をさえぎり都の安寧と清浄を確保する四境祭の舞台であったこと、多くの盗賊・強盗が出没し、そのすみかとなったこと、などを背景として分析されるべきであろう。 ――《世界大百科事典》 Translation: There's also the theory that the story had been influenced by the White Monkey legends of China, and the name was borrowed from Qitian Dasheng.
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  23. 骏马的丕沿🤯

    List of more than 40,000 chengyu

    Related note: if anyone wants a recommendation for a 成语 dictionary, I would highly recommend 新华成语词典(第二版),by 商务印书馆辞书研究中心,published by 商务印书馆…… awesome dictionary! I'd say it's the most reliable resource I've used for learning chengyu.
  24. CSV file is attached. Encoding should be utf-8-sig. I compiled this list a while ago, using a web-scraper (script that collects data from the internet) that I built Most of these came from https://chengyu.911cha.com/ Take a glance at https://www.zhihu.com/question/399852044 to get an idea of approximately how many chengyu there are So obviously here I used a pretty liberal definition of "chengyu," since there are more than 40,000 in this list Feel free to use this as a study tool 成语清单.csv
  25. Made another list, just for fun. Feel free to make suggestions to add to these lists! 成语组:赌咒发誓 赌咒发誓 天诛地灭 天打雷劈 成语组:真心实意 真心实意 真心真意 真心诚意 成语组:已进社会的优良劳动者 安居乐业 安家立业 安生乐业 安家乐业 成语组:关于注意力 全神贯注 聚精会神 目不转睛 专心致志 专心一意 一心一意 成语组:表示时间长短 沧海桑田 积日累月 积日累岁 积时累日 积岁累月 白驹过隙 海枯石烂 一日三秋 一时半刻 弹指之间 成语组:光明 光明正大 正大光明 光明磊落 堂堂皇皇 堂堂正正 名堂正道 明公正道 明公正气 明公正义 堂皇正大 成语组:天地 开天辟地 欢天喜地 天诛地灭 天长地久 地久天长 天崩地裂 天高地厚 天翻地覆 天经地义 花天酒地 谢天谢地 成语组:不清楚 恍恍惚惚 恍恍忽忽 迷迷糊糊 模模糊糊 晃晃悠悠 悠悠晃晃 忽忽悠悠 悠悠忽忽 昏昏沉沉 昏昏默默 心神不定 心神不宁 神思恍惚 神情恍惚 含含糊糊 含含胡胡 成语组:悲哀之至 哀哀欲绝 嚎啕大哭 以泪洗面 泪如雨下 死去活来 潸然泪下 气噎喉堵 抽抽噎噎 抛珠滚玉 成语组:尚未穷尽 接二连三 连接不断 连续不断 络绎不绝 绵延不绝 陆陆续续 层出不穷 源源不绝 源源不断 无穷无尽 成语组:场面热烈活跃(可用于热闹场景的成语) 热热闹闹 人山人海 川流不息 过江之鲫 熙熙攘攘 纷纷扰扰 纷纷攘攘 纷纷穰穰 七嘴八舌 人多口杂 人多嘴杂 车水马龙 吵吵闹闹 闹闹哄哄 热闹非凡 鼓乐喧天 人来人往 沸沸扬扬 七手八脚
  26. Thanks for the comprehensive answer! I'm just continuing the basic one. I was a bit disappointed because it is pinyin (or so I thought, I have just spotted you can switch it! nice)
  27. realmayo

    Sources for modern Literary Chinese

    Some suggestions in this thread too: https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/56264-late-文言文?/ Also an online textbook from 1912: https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/61417-progressive-exercises-in-the-chinese-written-language-by-bullock-tl-1912
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