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  2. I think both are important. You need to develop an ear for correct pronunciation (which will only come from listening to enough correct pronunciation) and you also need to apply that ear to your own speaking, otherwise you'll think you sound great when actually you don't. Developing both is an ongoing process.
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  4. It's known that Chinese has tones. Even if the characters have the same pinyin, different tones refer to diffrent meanings. Just take an example: BE CAREFUL when you say Chinese "wo xiang wen ni" to someone. 我想问你 wǒ xiǎng wèn nǐ I want to ask you... 我想吻你 wǒ xiǎng wěn nǐ I want to kiss you... Which one are you trying to express? 问wèn or 吻wěn If you are saying to someone, please watch your tone. If you are texting messages to someone, please be careful with your typing. wèn ask ; inquire How do we use? 问那个女孩。 Wèn nà gè nǚ hái. Ask that girl. 妈妈问你几点回家? Māma wèn nǐ jǐ diǎn huí jiā? Mom asks you what time will you be back home? How do we write? It is written in the outside to inside directional style. How do we type? How do you quickly choose the one refers to "ask" if you have no clear mind about the image of the character? Type “wen” on ICboard, we see the added the "auxiliary codes". The one followed by "as" is probably the characer for "ask"! If you want to double check just long press it, and more details about the character (tone,meaning) will pop up! More 请问 qǐng wèn excuse me; a polite way to ask 请问这个用汉语怎么说? Qǐng wèn zhè gè yòng hàn yǔ zěn me shuō? How do you say this in Chinese? 问题 wèn tí question; problem 我想问一个问题。 Wǒ xiǎng wèn yī gè wèn tí. I want to ask you a question. wěn kiss How do we use? 他吻了我。 Tā wěn le wǒ. He kissed me. 吻一下这个可爱的小宝贝。 Wěn yī xià zhè gè kěài de xiǎo bǎobèi. Give this cute baby a kiss. Note Verbs followed by 一下 indicating an act or attempt at once or in a short while. How do we write? It is written in the left to right and up to down directional style. How do we type? How do you quickly choose the one refers to "kiss" if you have no clear mind about the image of the character? Type “wen” on ICboard, we see the added the "auxiliary codes". The one followed by "ki" is probably the characer for "kiss"! If you want to double check just long press it, and more details about the character (tone,meaning) will pop up! More 飞吻 fēi wěn throw someone a kiss(“flying kiss”) 她给了我一个飞吻。 Tā gěi le wǒ yī gè fēiwěn. She blew me a kiss. 吻别 wěn bié kissgoodbye 他和妻子吻别。 Tā hé qīzǐ wěnbié. He kissed his wife goodbye.
  5. mirgcire

    How to teach Mandarin pronunciation

    @oceancalligraphy Most of them do reasonably well with tones when reciting words written in pinyin, but when it comes to speaking a sentence to one of their classmates they seem to be totally flummoxed. To me it looks like their brains are sending two conflicting message to the mouth and the result is more often than not: Mandarin syllables with English tones.
  6. I hate being patient omg I'm dying here just wanna find out these results my goodness I can only check my email so many times
  7. Allow me to disagree with my esteemed co-posters on the necessity of recording and listening to yourself speak over and over again. It is more important that you listen to the correct pronunciation of native Chinese speakers than to your own incorrect pronunciation. I am not against self-examination. By all means, record yourself from time to time to check if you are on the right track. If you struggle to pronounce certain words, an extended recording and playback session may be helpful. If how you think you sound is very different from how you actually sound, listen to recordings with enough frequency to keep yourself honest. You do not need to "learn to love hearing yourself speak on recordings." That is never going to happen. Painstakingly recording your imperfect Chinese and listening back to it is like a novice writer reworking his clumsy sentences over and over again until they are just right. Sometimes it is useful and even necessary to do this to improve. But novice writers also improve by reading better writers. Spend the bulk of your time absorbing and imitating native Chinese speech. Record and listen to yourself from time to time, or as necessary.
  8. oceancalligraphy

    Studying Mandarin in Hong Kong

    It looks like the Chinese University of Hong Kong has private classes: http://www.ycclc.cuhk.edu.hk/contentViewer.aspx?YRoGETac=MTcyNDV8fGxpbmttYWlubHZsfHw2MzY2NzYwMTIzNzI0NTU1NjU=&NOItACIfiTNEDi=NjM2Njc2MDEyMzcyNDU1NTY1fHwzNjN8fDE3MjQ1
  9. oceancalligraphy

    How to teach Mandarin pronunciation

    I think it might help to breaking down where the English accent occurs. Does it occur in pronouncing the individual sounds? I wonder if they are having trouble disconnecting the English pronunciation when they see pinyin, and not able to insert the Chinese pronunciation. Or maybe they really need to overemphasize the Chinese pronunciation. Or is the problem with tones? A way to pay attention to tones are adding hand/arm gestures while reading aloud. Maybe also something to add when drilling as well.
  10. Yeah, this is definitely a major stumbling block for me, my speech rhythm is often still off. Stupid example, but good nonetheless: went to a water park two days ago and there was a big slide called '大喇叭', it was a huge slide with a conical trumpet shaped end which you spin round before dropping into the water. I said 大喇叭好刺激 and the girl next to me did her best 外國人 impression of what I'd just said. All my tones were right, got the name right and all. but yeah, I found out I had said 大喇叭 when everyone else was saying 大喇叭. So frustrating, but yeah, still wrong. As for the dialect thing, I can actually say quite a bit in the local dialect here now because of long term exposure with my wife and her family. But outside the house I just dont, it causes so much attention and people dont seem to actually listen to what Im actually saying. I'm obviously still in the formative stages, so its a bit like when we all first started mandarin and everyones constantly coming over to listen to your weird attempts at butchering their language. Don't know if youve had the same experience with 昆明話?
  11. sounds you are around hsk4. Before HSK4 is all about daily communication , a little focus on reading and writing. So completing HSK4 is sort of milestone. After HSK4 is advanced reading and writing, need a well planned learning schedule, rather than a time table, and a tutor to answer your questions. With HSK4 and below, a tutor is best to have as you need ask questions sometime, or you have a lot time to work it out. Anyhow, Q&A is not the key in this stage, practice and a good textbook is .
  12. What you might find is that the problem isn't with the tones as much as it is with the phrasing, the speech rhythm and its contours. I don't consider my own speech all that good, but the criticism I most often get here in Kunming is "When are you going to stop sounding like a 外地人 and learn to use 昆明话 like the rest of us?" Using good, standard 普通话 here just makes you sound strange. (But it's something which is readily forgiven most of the time.)
  13. I just moved back from China after studying there for the last 6 or so months. I want to continue studying Chinese before I sell my soul and begin postgrad study next year. Currently I have about 3-5 hours a day to work on my Chinese. I have been struggling a bit to work out how to split up my time, I think partly because my goals aren't really clear. I'm tossing up whether or not to sit HSK 5 towards the end of the year, but have a few issues with this as well. Firstly I'll describe what I've been doing at the moment for study and try to give a bit of an idea about where I'm at. I currently spend a while every morning going through 5-10 new words on Pleco, and then get through my reviews. I then do a 10-20 minute review of my most recent 10 Popup Chinese dialogues as listening practice; after this I work through a new lesson. I then move onto a TV show, I just started a new one called 家有儿女, and work through that for 30-40 minutes. I also spend about 30-50 minutes every day chatting with someone over Wechat (voice chat) and have just started reading graded readers again. So my questions are basically: (1) Any suggestions on adding anything into my routine? I've thought about changing it up with the podcasts as I've now gotten through about 130 of the Popup Chinese lessons, and whole stack of the intermediate/elementary stuff on iMandarinpod as well - what's Chinesepod like at the moment? I heard the hosts recently left, still worth a look? I've also been considering getting onto iTalki and just doing a few sessions. I also feel like one of the potential weaknesses in this approach is that I don't really have any textbook or anything to teach grammar and stuff like that - although I'm not really sure if that's such an issue. (2) My main reasons for considering HSK 5 as a goal were (a) it will help with motivation, (b) it gives me something to work towards and (c) that it might be useful later on (I can put it on my CV). My long term goal with Chinese has always been to get to a level of proficiency where I can use it to help me in the space industry. Thanks!
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  15. So I wanted to work in China. I jumped through a ton of hoops and submitted all my documents to the school so they could attempt to convert said documents into a work permit, which I could then convert to a visa. the school claims my permit was not issued and declined because I am a 'fresh graduate' from University. However the school said that they have done this before and if they reapply I may get accepted for a work permit. Is this legitimate? What are the chances of actually getting accepted? I appreciate any and all responses. Additional information about me. I have the TEFL, and a bachelors degree. I am a native English speaking Canadian with blonde hair and blue eyes. It is a teaching job in Ningbo. I have never been arrested. All my documents are verified. I am not in China now. I already have a 10-year tourist visa.
  16. I also had a bank transfer rejected due to a lack of my middle name.
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  19. mirgcire

    How to teach Mandarin pronunciation

    Roddy and Imron, thanks for the great suggestions. I will follow both of them. What do you guys think of the pronunciation training feature of the "Chinese Skill" app. If you open the pinyin chart in the app, select a tone mark and tap a syllable, it will play a recording, then as soon as the user records their own voice and the app will alternate between the users voice and the model voice for as long as you let it. The app doesn't tell them what they are doing wrong, but it gets their voice out of their own head and, hopefully, allows them to hear the difference.
  20. There's no convincing to be done. They all probably want to speak like a newscaster, but they don't know what the problem is and what they should do. An English accent is made up of many phonological patterns, and different learners exhibit different ones to different degrees. You can start with how your think about and describe phonological errors. Make sure you know exactly what the problem is, and what has to change to make it correct. You can't be satisfied with describing the problem as "English tonality." What does that mean? If it means "there are no phonemic tones," break down utterances into single syllables, then two syllables, then four, etc. If it means "plosives are voiced where they should not be," explain how English lacks voiceless unaspirated plosives except after fricatives such as /s/, and say "spy" and stuff and try to isolate the "py" part. If it means "there are stressed syllables where there shouldn't be," incorporate it into your tone training feedback. In any case, you must nitpick everything. This is an intensive, one-on-one (expensive) activity.
  21. I'm in Europe as well, they haven't received our admission letters and JW202 from China yet, but two weeks ago they already had a list with the names of the scholarship winners, so they were nice enough to tell people who called in whether they were on it (as well as their assigned universities).
  22. I don't see why anyone would refuse you entry. You are going there for one year, not two weeks, in such case it's quite uncommon and probably not even possible to buy a two way ticket. I'm perfectly sure there wouldn't be any problems at the border. Only reason would be that perhaps it would be cheaper if you bought a return ticket.
  23. I do workaudiobook every day for a minimum of 30 mins. I'm now 6 1/2 months in without missing a day. My pronunciation has improved massively. But its incremental; after the first month a friend of mine commented 'your chinese is so good, it doesn't sound like a foreigner at all!' naturally I went home beaming. Two days ago went out for drinks with the same friend; he commented 'hey...so yeah whens your chinese not gonna have a foreign accent, you've been studying for long enough now...'. Guess its time to stop coasting through shadowing. Im gonna get an audio recorder and carry it with me so I can listen to myself in conversations and give myself some pressure to actually get all my tones to hit their peaks and troughs properly.
  24. @Vortex I checked my application status and it said “in progress” or something like that. According to the university rules that meant that I was not accepted and a couple of days later or maybe a week later the embassy contacted me saying that they received my admission letter (from other university that was on my wishlist) and that I should go get my visa.
  25. @奚唯亚 You could call visaforchina, if they give you a visa with a one way ticket, I don't think they could refuse you entry there.
  26. I really want to say it's worth trying, as the embassy might take a common sense approach. But then I remember the John Smith I know who had a bank transfer to Smith, John rejected.
  27. Hey guys! I've gone through most of the recent pages, but I couldn't seem to find any updates on results from Shanghai Jiao Tong University, Guangdong University of Foreign Studies, and Xi'An Jiaotong University. Have they announced the admitted candidates yet? Btw I applied through the Embassy route and have been contacting my Embassy, CSC, and the universities like crazy, but to no avail, and I just wanted to know if I should keep waiting at this point at all. :(
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