md1101 Posted September 10, 2006 at 05:00 AM Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 at 05:00 AM just came across an interesting article about some possible perils of teaching english in china. thought some of you may be interested in it. http://www.nwanews.com/adg/national/162647/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdavid Posted September 11, 2006 at 05:49 AM Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 at 05:49 AM Unfortunately, situations like this do occur, and when they do it's just outright sad. As an expat living and teaching in China, a few words of wisdom to those considering teaching in China: 1. Research! Research! Research. Google the potential school's name + feedback. Ask managers for a list of recommendations from previous or current teachers. If they respond with a "confidentiality" statement, drop the idea of working for that school. Any reputable institution will offer up former or current teachers' emails for feedback. 2. Look for a school with joint western-Chinese management. This is particularly important in terms of communicating with the school before departure and throughout your contract. 3. Have a confirmed final copy of the contract in your hands before leaving, and DO NOT sign it until you have personally seen anything listed within the contract (the school, your flat, offices, etc.) and have seen that your empolyer has lived up to the agreed standards. 4. Many reputable institutions will arrange your Z visa before you leave via FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. This does not mean that good schools always will (mine was converted after arrival), but many will before departure. 5. More research! Don't take the first job that is offered to you. When applying / looking at schools in China I was offered positions by literally hundreds of schools, most of which seemed dodgy. The school I eventually ended up working for took a bit of "digging," as they weren't desperate for teachers (as many poor-quality schools are). 6. Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions. That's all I can think of. Stay safe. China is a wonderful country. I fell in love with the country and people after only 2 weeks. The language isn't as difficult to pick up as everyone back home thinks with diligent and daily study. Feel free to ask me questions via PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Doug Posted October 28, 2006 at 03:51 PM Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 at 03:51 PM You know from what I've experienced every school is going to have a problem and do something (usually many) unprofessional. This is the first I've heard of Murder or assult. The only problem is that should something happen, the foreign teacher is always at a disadvantage. The only real effective avenue you have is to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imitation Posted October 28, 2006 at 04:50 PM Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 at 04:50 PM People who don't do there research getting exploited in China, who'd have thunk it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Doug Posted November 10, 2006 at 05:31 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 at 05:31 AM You're right, but it's not always easy though. The first school I went to here started out ok, but near the end of my first year when the Center Manager left and the new ones (quite a few came and went) came things so quickly went down hill. Teacher weren't getting their full air-fare, a new contract that gives the schools the right to fine employees for most anything came into effect, teachers were being refused their housing allowance, and more. This is over the course of two months. Things can change fast, and getting out of a contract isn't always easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted November 10, 2006 at 05:41 AM Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 at 05:41 AM True - places can go from bad to great to worse to closed to fantastic, depending on who is in charge, who's working there, how good business is, etc. Plus, even doing a whole load of research isn't always going to help - there simply isn't any information for a lot of places, a lot of what is out there is from people who don't know what they're talking about, etc, etc. Even the most careful, experience and prepared people hit problems (although they hit a lot less of them, and get out a lot quicker when they do.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magores Posted November 10, 2006 at 02:44 PM Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 at 02:44 PM First, let me say that I feel bad for the people that have had bad experiences in China, and even worse for the family of the deceased person. I guess, I think I should change my nickname to "The Lucky Guy" I'm literally 5 days away from finishing my 1st year as an English teacher in Beijing. Next Wednesday (the 15th), I'm heading back to the States to see family, renew visa, etc, and then coming right back (28th). I like the people I work with. I like what I do and where I do it. Are there things that aren't exactly perfect? Of course. It's a job. I have managers. I don't always agree with their decisions. But, I can respect the reasons for the decisions. (Which the directors at my school share with me.) (I'm oldish, so I'll share a little bit of reality for those that haven't realized it yet... Disagreeing is common in the workplace. Managers sharing reasons for decisions is far too uncommon.) And... China is not the US. Things are a bit different here. Some things happen slower than I would prefer. Other things happen quicker. And other things just happen differently. There are things that I am perfectly happy with, that others may not be. -My school pays me 3 or 4 days before the contract requires it, every time. But, I don't make as much as some other people, and as much as I know I could at other places. -I was provided with a 2 bedroom apartment for myself to live in. But, I live in a locals area. Unless, I "go out", I literally go for a month at a time without seeing another foreigner. Also, a locals xili may not be up to the expectations of some people. -I walk 15 minutes to the school that I work at. Ummm... Can't complain about this at all. I have a tremendous amount of leeway in scheduling classes, curriculum, etc. (I had taught in the US before coming to China.) --- I read the horror stories before I came. I read them still, even after I have been here for a year. Just makes me appreciate my situation even more. Like I said, I feel lucky in a lot of ways. --- And, yes. We are currently hiring 1 or 2 English Teachers. PT/FT DOQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted November 11, 2006 at 02:18 AM Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 at 02:18 AM (I'm oldish, so I'll share a little bit of reality for those that haven't realized it yet... Disagreeing is common in the workplace. Managers sharing reasons for decisions is far too uncommon.) A lot of the problems people have are due to their teaching job in China being their first full-time job, and it being the first time they've lived abroad. A few extra years under your belt make a lot of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badr Posted November 11, 2006 at 05:00 AM Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 at 05:00 AM I think there's just so much more to the situation than one single argument/article can cover. A lot of times, you might not have any idea about what went wrong. My wife and I spent 2 wonderful years teaching at a university and things were so good we signed up for a 3rd year. Then the president changed and things went sour really quickly and fast. Within 1 month, we packed and left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascendancy9 Posted November 13, 2006 at 01:15 PM Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 at 01:15 PM My one and only experiance in teaching English in China was 100% positive. However I organised that employment (only 1 month though) through my own contacts and as such didn't have to worry about one of these dodgy agencies. I would say that the majority of experiance of teaching English in China will be rewarding and interesting, if you are patient, hardworking and enthusiastic. These dangers, discussed in the article, are certainly very much in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liuzhou Posted November 16, 2006 at 06:49 AM Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 at 06:49 AM I hope you didn't teach them "experiance"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Doug Posted November 16, 2006 at 03:52 PM Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 at 03:52 PM there simply isn't any information for a lot of places, a lot of what is out there is from people who don't know what they're talking about Well said. Reminds me of the old saying "For every ten people you make happy they'll tell one person what a great job you did, for every person you make unhappy, they'll tell everyone even if they didn't ask."I also like what was said about coming abroad so fresh and not even having a good grasp of how things work in your own country. I've actually seen that where people complain about something here but it's done as well in Canada, or was done in Canada not too long ago. I really think people believe that just because China has modern technology that everything should be done in as modern and professional a fashion as western countries. It just isn't the case. Mao really held them back in this area (Yes this is my opinion, not fact). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woliveri Posted December 14, 2006 at 02:43 AM Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 at 02:43 AM I think the guy's biggest mistake was to threaten the school owner/boss by telling the police he was operating illegally. He should have just quietly left for greener pastures IMO. I've also heard of a Lot more Violent crime in Guang Zhou than in other places. Sounds like a place I wouldn't want to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
self-taught-mba Posted December 14, 2006 at 03:19 AM Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 at 03:19 AM I completely agree with that sentiment and was what I was going to say before I made it down to your post: An argument ensued, Russell resigned and threatened to tell police Luo was operating illegally, the former employee said. I learned a long time ago never to threaten someone's livelihood. Whether it's a street salesman that cheats you or a CEO, as soon as you do this you force them into a corner where they will fight back just as hard and nasty as any animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yinduren Posted December 27, 2006 at 07:35 PM Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 at 07:35 PM Hi Having read the article on Dangers of Teaching in China has made me feel even worse about going. I have read so many horrid stories even ones about organ snatching etc...I really want to teach English in Shanghai. i came across 2 schools, one is Campus Earth and the other is Scholastic. Everything was going great until they asked for a photocopy of my passport. I questionned it but never got a reply. Scholastic seems OK as a friend in Shanghai told me about it. has anyone heard of English First?? I would love some good advice on schools or if someone could recommend a school to me.. Awaiting a reply......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imron Posted December 28, 2006 at 05:23 AM Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 at 05:23 AM Almost every single school you apply for will ask to see a copy of the photo page of your passport because it's needed in order to apply for a Z (work) visa. I would be more likely to query a school that didn't ask for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted December 28, 2006 at 08:22 AM Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 at 08:22 AM And please can we have a link to the story about the TEFL teacher who had his organs snatched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imron Posted December 28, 2006 at 09:24 AM Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 at 09:24 AM I think that's the one where he was at a party, and woke up the next day in a bathtub full of ice, with a message on the mirror saying dial '120' your kidneys have been removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmayo Posted December 28, 2006 at 10:42 AM Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 at 10:42 AM what would the chinese be for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yinduren Posted December 28, 2006 at 05:27 PM Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 at 05:27 PM well...I understand that most schools ask for your passport copy...I have had one school that asked for a copy even before they offered me anything...I though it was odd, nevermind!!! As for the organ snatching....I have only heard about it from a Chinese friend in Dalian...I have no idea if its true or not but in India I know it is. If you google it an article should come up. Yes I know most think its amusing but you cant help but think the worst. If anyone can recommend a school in Shanghai, do let me know. A friend of mine in Shanghai found 2 schools for me, One is Scholastic and the other is Campus Earth...has anyone heard of these??? Speak soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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