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Does anyone know about what some modern Chinese royalty are doing today? I read somewhere that one Chinese princess is a model. I know there isn't royalty today, just talking about descendants.

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在王府井卖烧饼。

The model you read about is probably fake, and she's a Manchu princess. The last known Han princess got her arm cut off by her dad and became a nun according to legends... Most Chinese people today probably have a drop or two of royal blood from many of the dynasties and kingdoms...

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The younger brother of the last emperor is 爱新觉罗·溥任 or 金友之 he worked in education and is now retired living in Beijing. He has a son 金毓嶂, he has a political office in one of Beijing's districts.

-Shibo:mrgreen:

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Good to know that some of them have changed the name to 金. I was wondering if they had it changed ... 金 is a very logical and convenient name ...

Have they all changed the name to 金? What was 啓功's surname? 啓? 金? 愛新覺羅?

A google search seems to show that some people have kept the name 愛新覺羅.

PS - I've found something written by 啓功, which touches on the name ->

我既然叫啟功,當然就是姓啟名功。有的人說:您不是姓愛新覺羅名啟功嗎?很多人給我寫信都這樣寫我的名和姓,有的還用新式標點,在愛新覺羅和啟功中間加一點。還有人叫我「金啟功」。對此,我要正名一下。「愛新」是女真語,作為姓,自金朝就有了,按意譯就是「金」,但那時沒有「覺羅」這兩個字。「覺羅」是根據滿語gioro的音譯。它原來有獨自的意思。按清制:稱努爾哈赤的父親塔克世為大宗,他的直系子孫為「宗室」,束金黃帶,俗稱「黃帶子」,塔克世的父親覺昌安兄弟共六人,俗稱「六祖」,對這些非塔克世──努爾哈赤「大宗」的伯、叔、兄、弟的後裔稱「覺羅」,束紅帶,俗稱「紅帶子」,族籍也由宗人府掌管,政治經濟上也享有特權,直到清亡後才廢除。清朝時,把這個「覺羅」當作語尾,加到某一姓上,如著名作家老舍先生,原來姓「舒舒」氏,後來加上「覺羅」,就叫「舒舒覺羅」,而老舍又從「舒舒」中取第一個「舒」字做自己的姓,又把第二個舒字拆成「舍」字和「予」字,做自己的名字,就叫舒舍予。同樣,也把「覺羅」這個語尾,加到「愛新」後面,變成了「愛新覺羅」,作為這一氏族的姓。也就是說,本沒有這個姓,它是後人加改而成的。再說,覺羅帶有宗室的意思,只不過是「大宗」之外的宗室而已,在清朝滅亡之後,再強調這個覺羅,就更沒有意義了。這是從姓氏本身的產生與演變上看,我不願意以愛新覺羅為姓的原因。
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How different do you think China would become if it is still ruled by the Emperor?

Would China become stronger both politically and financially?

There would be no Taiwan issue?

K.

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Quest, where can I find information about the Han princess legend. Searching with "Han" and "Princess" makes everything that comes up about Star Wars. Searching Chinese isn't helping either.

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Last Emperor "Henry" Puyi Aisin-Gioro had a younger brother(forgot his name: since they're brothers, they have the same "generation name" of Pu?[? in place of his name]). His younger brother changed his family name into Chinese using the definition of their surname: Aisin*, see below. His younger brother's daughter(the article I read this from didn't mention her name), who would be a Princess, or HRH, if the Ching/Qing dynasty still existed. I read an article where her ancestors would have been shocked to know that she works for Motorola in China!

Doing a search using these words "last emperor younger brother daughter", might give you the article.

*Aisin is the surname = Jin in Chinese. It means "Gold" in Manchu.**, as in gold & silver. ***Gioro isn't a surname, but something that means "descendant" or something similar.

***Source for this is in Skylee's post of information regarding "Chi-gong/Qi-gong"

** Manchu is the English name for the language, whereas Manchurian(s) should be the proper name for the ethnic group. Peoples in China were divided into 5 "racial/ethnic groups": Man(Chinese abbreviated form for Manchurians), Han(Chinese), Meng(Mongols), Hui(Muslims/Turks/Uigurs/Uyghurs), Zuang(Tibetans).

*Aisin is the original surname since the Jin dynasty. The dynasty probably got it's name from the rulers's surname of Aisin, and translated it into Chinese to become Jin[my theory]. Descendants added Gioro to the surname later on.

Sorry. I don't have Chinese software so I have to write all the names in Pinyin.

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To libertango:

Han Princesses.

There would have little information on them in Chinese history, because they are daughters and would be married and so won't be carrying the family name, therefore not worth mentioning at all.

Don't search for "Han Princesses", but rather "Han Chinese Princesses"

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I also read somewhere that the descendants of Ching royalty had to use 4 different Chinese characters for the surname Aisin AKA Aisin-Gioro, so that they won't be all killed off by enemies. Some people still use Aisin-Gioro.

Also, I read in a Chinese article that the 32nd generation after emperor Qianlong is an actress in China using Aisin-Gioro as the surname. Forgot the first character of her given name, but the last character is xing, meaning "star" as in "Twinkle, Twinkle little star..."

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The princess who got her arm cut off wasn't a Han dynasty(206BC - AD23) princess, but rather a Ming dynasty princess, her father was the last emperor Song-jing of the Ming dynasty(1368-1644), meaning he died before the Ching/Manchurians came into power in 1644. Emperor Song-jing knowing that he's losing power, poisoned his whole family, so that all the women won't have to suffer being raped after his death. He committed suicide under a tree. But the one that got away was Princess Chang-ping(meaning "forever peaceful"), nicknamed the "Miraculous Single-Armed Nun" by the people, because she only had only one arm after the Emperor chopped it off using a sword. Some say she ran off to become a nun. Some say she didn't become a nun, but rather a commoner.

Emperor Song-jing's given name is Zhu Youjian.

Zhu (surname) = Cinnabar.

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Are you talking about Chinese Princess Aixinjueluo Beiyi (愛新覺羅貝怡), the model in Hong Kong? She's not Chinese/Qing/Manchu princess, she's actually a Japanese model. Her real name is Nakagoshi Noriko (中越典子).

It's kinda hilarious seeing Chinese nationalists praised the fake Chinese princess and compared her to the Japanese ex-princess Sayako Kuroda, saying Kuroda is ugly and Beiyi is hottie!

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Pu Yi only had one brother, Pu Jie. He was one year younger than Pu Yi, the last Emperor of China.

Pu Jie died on Monday, February 28, 1994, in Beijing. He was 87.

The official New China News Agency (Xinhua), announcing the death in a two-paragraph report, said only that he had succumbed to illness. An official at the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, an advisory group, said the main cause was prostate cancer.

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Pu Yi only had one brother, Pu Jie. He was one year younger than Pu Yi, the last Emperor of China.

Have you heard of another brother named Pu Ren? He actually had several brothers and sisters, though apparently some of these were half-siblings.

The lady mentioned on this website claims to be Pu Ren's niece:

http://www.stavonhagen.org/

And some photos here (can be reached from the site above, so I don't think they intended to keep it too private):

http://www.stavonhagen.net/photos.htm

Ones of particular interest:

http://www.stavonhagen.net/marypujie.jpg

http://www.stavonhagen.net/marypuren002.jpg

http://www.stavonhagen.net/puren%20and%20kids.jpg

An article which talks about Pu Jie's death in 1994:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE1D6153AF931A35750C0A962958260

An article about Pu Ren written from 2006:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200612/11/eng20061211_331143.html

On Wikipedia, information about both brothers can be found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pujie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Youzhi

Their father, Zaifeng, 2nd Prince Chun, had 5 sons and 7 daughters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaifeng%2C_2nd_Prince_Chun

Though wikipedia doesn't exactly state it, after piecing together some facts, it seems that Pu Ren is the half-brother of Pujie and Pu Yi.

A more complete picture of the genealogy can be found here (search for "P'u-yi" on the page):

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/China/manchu13.htm

Interesting stuff!

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Thank you cdn_in_bj

It seems I was wrong, and I am grateful to you for the correction.

I have now found out that Prince Chun had five sons and seven daughters: The five sons were:

Pu Yi who became Emperor of China (deceased)

Pu Jie (deceased)

Pu Ju (He died at the age of one year.)

Pu Ju, died in Shanghai on 25th September 1918.

Pu Ren, who was still alive in 2006, and is believed to be still alive today at the age of 89. He had three sons and two daughters.

In 2006, a representative from Imperial Tours published an interview with Pu Ren in a newsletter (and offers one-on-one interviews with him to selected, paying, participants in their tours.) See: http://www.imperialtours.net/newsletters072006.htm.

It seems that Pu Ren, then at the ripe age of 88 was so deaf the interviewer had to write down his questions.

Imperial Tours is based in San Francisco, USA, and was founded by Guy Rubin, a British Citizen claiming to have graduated from Cambridge University, England, and Nancy Kim, who grew up in the States (it is not known where she was born) She claims to have an art history degree from the University of Pennsylvania, as well as the universities of London, Seoul and Beijing.

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Good to know that some of them have changed the name to 金. I was wondering if they had it changed ... 金 is a very logical and convenient name ...

But 金 is regarded as an insulting surname for some descendants of Aisin-Gioro, because it was Yuan Shikai who asked them to change to this surname. As far as i remember, 趙, 愛 are also adapted as their chinese surname today.

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This is another account of 长平公主:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_wZ2R2YX5Ck

wiki 《帝女花》

崇禎末年,明思宗長女長平公主因奉帝命而在乾清宮前連理樹下選駙馬,最後選擇下嫁太僕之子周世顯。(樹盟) 當時闖王李自成攻入北京宮殿;崇禎因此手刃眾皇女後,自縊於媒山。(香劫) 長平公主雖被明思宗所砍殺,卻未至氣絕,被周鍾拯救送回家中。(乞屍) 後來,清軍入關並滅了闖軍,遷都北京。周鍾想向清朝投降,意圖獻出長平公主。長平公主得到周鍾之女瑞蘭及老尼姑的相助,裝死避居維摩庵中。世顯偶然經過維摩庵,遇上扮作女尼的長平公主。經過幾番試探後,長平公主才與周世顯相認,並相約於是夜在紫玉山房會面。(庵遇、相認) 此事為清朝皇帝知道了,迫使周世顯與長平公主一同返宮。(迎鳳) 夫妻二人為求清帝善葬皇父,釋放皇弟,遂佯裝返宮,並在乾清宮前連理樹下重相交拜,然後雙雙服毒自殺殉國。

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The princess in this thread was Princess Changping of Ming dynasty. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Changping Btw, the written biography of her after her death was probably a partial Qing propaganga document and couldn't be fully trusted for her later life under Qing's rule.

It was said that her father told her, as he was chopping down with his sword, "Never, ever born into a royal family again in all of your future reincarnations!" (願汝生生世世莫生於帝王家!) There was also document said, "Why did you born into our family?") After chopping off her arm (her father missed because he couldn't look at her at the last minute), he threw away his sword and left her to die -- I think he couldn't bear to chop at her the 2nd time.

She lived, and probably some ladies in waiting or eunuch took her to her fiance's home. Her fiance's family turned her over to the new Qing rulers for favors. The Qing rulers decided to use her as a political tool to show other Ming royalties that they could trust Qing rulers and surrender. Also, Qing rulers could show other Han Chinese that they were friends to the Ming dynasty and not enemies. Therefore, they treated her pretty well. She asked to become a nun, but the Qing rulers ordered her fiance to marry her. I don't think her fiance was willing to marry a Princess from an overthrown dynasty. I remember reading from somewhere that her husband treated her badly. He had several other concubines and many female slaves, and he flaunted them in front of her. She died fairly soon after her marriage (like within one or two years).

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