他gen我説他不去

[hachioshi 10]

参加zhe次馬拉松比賽的運動員不少ba.

Can I change the order of this sentence the following way?

zhe次馬拉松比賽参加的運動員不少ba.

[hachioshi 10]

他

gen

我説他不去

Can I replace "gen" with other prepositions, like 給?

[lizzy 10]

一般说， zhe次参加马拉松比赛的运动员不少ba.

yes , you can .我gei他说不去.

[skylee 1,911]

他gen我説他不去

Can I replace "gen" with other prepositions' date=' like 給?[/quote']

You can replace gen with dui. I think using gei here is weird.

[gougou 147]

[POP=xiang4]向[/POP]also works, I believe.

[zhang laoshi 10]

1. No, you can't use 给 (or 向), but you can use 对. Basically "跟" means "with", "对"means "to", ( "speak to sb" or "speak with sb." )

2. Use 给for 我给他打电话, 我给他买了一本书. 给is for recipient or beneficiary, someone who "receives".

[Gulao 10]

"这次马拉松比赛参加的运动员不少ba" can be said, but it changes the meaning somewhat. Now, instead of being about the athletes in the marathon, it's about the marathon itself.

[hachioshi 10]

Thank you very much, everyone!

Gulao 老師, could you explain a bit why the cange of order results in that?

[hachioshi 10]

Thank you very much, everyone!

Gulao 老師, could you explain a bit why the cange of order results in that?

[Gulao 10]

The difference is in what is modifying what, and how that changes what the first phrase in the sentence is. In the first sentence, 参加这次马拉松比赛 is a predicate, which modifies a noun through the 的 particle. Therefore, the modified noun, i.e. 运动员 becomes the topic of the sentence.

However, in the second sentence, 这次马拉松比赛参加 makes no sense, and is obviously not a predicate, so only the verb, 参加, can modify 运动员. So 参加的运动员不少 becomes a comment on the topic, 这次马拉松比赛.

[hachioshi 10]

Let me confirm I understood your explanation correctly;

1.

参加这次马拉松比赛的运动员不少

参加这次马拉松比赛的运动员 is the subject group

不少 is the predicate group

2.

这次马拉松比赛, 参加的运动员不少

(Speaking about) 这次马拉松比赛, 参加的运动员不少

参加的运动员 is the subject group

不少 is the predicate group

多謝！

[Gulao 10]

Yep, that's the idea.