xuechengfeng Posted June 1, 2004 at 07:15 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 07:15 AM I can't really say I know a vast amount of information about him, but what I've read about him and his policies with literature, he doesn't sound like a very respectable man, or even one who makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galitonwu Posted June 1, 2004 at 07:43 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 07:43 AM 一言难尽。 Different people has difficult opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazu Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:10 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:10 AM Yes, some people thought he was god, or think he's God, put his photo in the front mirror of car to gain some protection power (or maybe they can make it as powder for aphrodisiacs because his private doctor said he took a lot?) Some just think he's a bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:20 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:20 AM official viewpoint is '30/70'. 30% of the time he made mistakes and 70%of the time he did a good job. unofficial viewpoints vary... but still, he is the man that is largely responsible for making china into what it is today, so his influence, good or bad, canot be overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:33 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:33 AM he's more of a 'politician', so looking from the literature point of view doesnt really say much. even on literature there are 2 things to bear in mind: 1, mao isnt 'highly educated' in today's standards. compared to some of his colleagues in the early ccp like zhou enlai, who had studied abroad, mao graduated only as a high school student. there are instances that he felt sour when talking to some intellects who were great scholars during the late qing era or kmt era. 2, but that doesnt mean he looked down on educated people. mao himself was also a very good poet, in classic chinese, comparable to any famous poet in chinese history. he would be a great poet if he hadnt been a politician. and i remembered these words someone describe him, mao never do anything for himself, he's always concerned with political effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibo77 Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:37 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 08:37 AM I think he was very intellectual, and very ambitious. He wrote some very memorable poems. But I don't like the way he's portrayed (as a demi-god). I didn't like the change to place his portrait on all the yuans, before it was truly 人民币Ren Min Bi, now it's just 毛币Mao Bi. -Shibo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wix Posted June 1, 2004 at 10:20 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 10:20 AM but still, he is the man that is largely responsible for making china into what it is today, so his influence, good or bad, canot be overlooked. I disagree. I would say Deng Xiaoping, Zhou Enlai, Jiang Zemin (even Sun yat-Sen) have done more to make China what it is today. If the CCP was still following Mao's teachings religiously China would be a lot more backward in every respect than it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 1, 2004 at 10:48 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 10:48 AM i mean good or bad... the good things he did and the bad things... anyway if it wasnt for him ccp would be destroyed by kmt b4 the long march, then we will probably see a different china. deng would've been dead long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beirne Posted June 1, 2004 at 11:26 AM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 11:26 AM When I went to China we stopped by Mao's mausoleum, although we couldn't go in that day. Our tour guide talked a bit about Mao. Tour guides, of course, aren't going to be controversial, but his comment was that Mao was a great military leader but not such a good political leader. That gave me a hint of how one side thinks. The other side comes from an older Chinese man I know who thinks Mao was good because he made China strong again. China does not at the mercy of the western powers like it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 1, 2004 at 12:14 PM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 12:14 PM the mausoleum was quite a piece of crap, esp compared to sun's zhongshan ling in nanking. it was said that mao didnt wanted to built one, but at the last days of the cultural revolution mdm mao would like to use him as an icon, so the mausoleum was built hastily. the site was actually the second gate to the forbidden city, the 'da qing gate', which was demolished when they built the tian'anmen square. the 3 front(southern) gates of the old beijing city were qian men, daqing men and tian'an men respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazu Posted June 1, 2004 at 06:20 PM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 06:20 PM I've been to Beijing quite a few times but I haven't never been to Jinianguan because I think the whole idea of worshipping a body was totally insane (oh if not worshipping then why did people have to go visiting a body??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSkillet Posted June 1, 2004 at 11:08 PM Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 at 11:08 PM i think really just to see it. Shoot, I've now seen three dead Communist leaders - Lenin, Mao and Ho Chih Minh. I certainly wasn't there to worship the wax figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 2, 2004 at 12:06 AM Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 at 12:06 AM its not open everyday i think, some say bcos of 'maintainance job'. and dont be surprise, people do get into long queue just to take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted June 2, 2004 at 01:55 AM Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 at 01:55 AM Holyman- did you know the whole 70/30 thing is based on Mao's view of Stalin right after he died? it's still the equation they use today. Wacky. Personally, I think most people, including me, have mixed feelings about Mao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyman Posted June 2, 2004 at 05:48 AM Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 at 05:48 AM then what do u expect the official statement to say? probably have to be that way for years to come. kicking him aside would render the 'hardwork' ccp done for china as crap. dont think they'll ever slap their own mouth or deny their legitimacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wix Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:10 AM Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:10 AM Tour guides, of course, aren't going to be controversial, but his comment was that Mao was a great military leader but not such a good political leader. I think any intelligent reading of history would come to a similar conclusion. The only difference might be the strength of the final adjective in the above statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhchao Posted June 8, 2004 at 08:41 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 at 08:41 AM Deng was pragmatic, his quote: "It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice." Mao was the opposite and ideological. His philosophy would be something like "It doesn't matter if the cat catches mice, it matters if the cat is black or white." History has shown that Deng was right. His pragmatic approach moved China forward, while China lagged 30 years behind other countries during Mao's tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shengmar Posted June 16, 2004 at 08:33 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 at 08:33 AM I think his works is the best Chinese textbook. Its language is simple, clear, and persuasive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dingo Posted July 6, 2004 at 06:26 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 at 06:26 AM Mao ze Dong ruined China's image, and made china poor. thank god for the Open Door Policy laid down by jiang kai shek if it wasnt for mao, china today would be more advanced than USA. therefore i think Mao ruined china. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ananda Posted July 6, 2004 at 06:56 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 at 06:56 AM Mao ze Dong ruined China's image, and made china poor. thank god for the Open Door Policy laid down by jiang kai shek if it wasnt for mao, china today would be more advanced than USA. therefore i think Mao ruined china. I think less people would understand your meaning, would you mind provide more to help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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