marcos2003 Posted March 7, 2009 at 02:04 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 02:04 PM I try to help my girlfriend from russia to study in Beijing. For whatever reason, I check with many universities, they all say they can't issue her a JW202 form. Anyone in Beijing experience similiar difficulty? anyway I can solve this trouble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianlondon Posted March 7, 2009 at 02:55 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 02:55 PM Might be related to this : http://www.chinaconsulate.khb.ru/chn/xwdt/t538360.htm Seriously though, did they say that the only reason they wouldn't issue the paperwork for the F/X visa was because her nationality is Russian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcos2003 Posted March 7, 2009 at 03:16 PM Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 03:16 PM yes, this is serious, i ask the international student office at many universities, they didn't tell me why, just say in her case, they can't issue her a jw202 form, not only russian, i think females from kaza too!!! i also ask the agent i use when i apply to blcu, they tell me they can't help me and ask me to contact directly with the university office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 7, 2009 at 03:46 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 03:46 PM And they specified female? If so, I'd guess this is an attempt to limit the number of women from the former USSR / Mongolia coming in to work in the world's oldest profession. Bit heavy-handed to just ban entire genders from certain nations, but I can't see any reason for just not allowing the women in. Get your girlfriend to check with Russian study-in-China agencies - they'll know what's happening. Maybe. Or the Russian Embassy here in China, if they pick up the phone at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcos2003 Posted March 7, 2009 at 04:33 PM Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 04:33 PM i check with the agent, they can't help. It is non-sense because of that problem and not issue jw202 to all females from russia. my girlfriend is a university student, i give the university office all school documents, passport copy, don't know what happen now in beijing. i will check with russian embassy see if they can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekay Posted March 7, 2009 at 05:12 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 05:12 PM Must be a brand new policy if it is, because I know several Russian, Kaza and Mongolian girls who just arrived here in Beijing to start their semesters at BLCU... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randall_flagg Posted March 7, 2009 at 05:47 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 05:47 PM The best of luck to you and your friend! It'll be interesting how this turns out. If it really is a new policy, this could turn out to be somewhat of a foreign relations powder keg. Hope its just a miscommunication somewhere along the line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted March 7, 2009 at 06:58 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 06:58 PM Must be a brand new policy if it isActually I heard about this from a friend working at a language school before the Olympics already. Women from Russia (in a certain age range only) as well as Nigerians were virtually banned back then.Could you maybe ask the girls you mentioned how they got here, peekay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekay Posted March 7, 2009 at 07:18 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 at 07:18 PM I can ask. The Russian girl I met had taken a 3-month course here before (I think last year) and now back in Beijing for a semester course. The two Kazakh girls just arrived. It's possible they're all scholarship students but I don't think so. It seems there are a lot of Russian girls at BLCU besides the girl I know. All of them are in that "certain age range" except for the Mongolian girl who is really young. All quite attractive too, I must admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcos2003 Posted March 8, 2009 at 01:17 AM Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 at 01:17 AM this semester is ok, i know many from russia and kaza studying in beijing. i think the problem is for fall term, it may be a new policy. i know Nigerian are all banned unless they have scholarship, i worry same thing happen to russian girls now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randall_flagg Posted March 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM Apart from the personal tragedy for the people immediately affected (girl studies Chinese for 3 years and wants to go to China to study but CAN'T), I am also concerned about foreign relations ramifications. I am not liking this at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM Even if this is happening, and I'm not convinced it is, I don't think we need to worry about the diplomatic consequences. The conversation would go something like this: China: By the way, we're not giving young Russian women student visas. Russia: 'Kay. Want to buy some oil? China: Sure. Listen, about Siberia . . Russia: Still not selling. 88. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
self-taught-mba Posted March 8, 2009 at 02:44 PM Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 at 02:44 PM It is more the uni than the Edu Ministry or the Entry/Exit Dept. Many uni.s have these unofficial policies of not letting in people from certain countries. There are Russian girls here. I know several. They come under more scrutiny though. Sometimes we can get someone into a uni when they would normally get rejected - but only because they will put the blame on us if because cooperate with them. We become the insurance so to speak for the uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atitarev Posted March 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM Your Russian friend can ask questions here. There are many Russians (men and women) who study or work in China, they frequent this site. Visa questions are very common here: Eastern Hemisphere (Восточное Полушарие) Eastern Hemisphere's Chinese visa subsection (ВСЁ О ВИЗАХ В КНР) I am of Russian origin but I have been living in Australia in the last 11.5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcos2003 Posted March 10, 2009 at 02:51 PM Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 at 02:51 PM thank you, i will check the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yersi Posted March 10, 2009 at 03:08 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 at 03:08 PM . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandeX Posted March 12, 2009 at 07:18 AM Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 at 07:18 AM Based upon what I've noticed of Chinese attitudes towards black people, either told to me directly by them in conversations, or from what I have seen when I am out with black friends, I find it highly unlikely that the average Chinese "john" would solicit a black prostitute regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted March 12, 2009 at 08:45 AM Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 at 08:45 AM I think Nigerians were blamed for other things; they seemed to make up the majority of drug dealers in Sanlitun for instance. By what I heard, their ban also was not gender- or age-specific. But again, that was before the Olympics; I'd have expected it to be lifted already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de.kunzan Posted April 29, 2009 at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 at 09:50 AM Hi all, This is a really sad situation that the girl can not get a study visa without explaining any reason. I am also a girl from Russia living in Lasa at the moment (Xizang). I know two russian girls who managed to get an X visa to study in Tibet University last year, they're still studying here. I got an approval too, but because of my finacial situation I couldn't join the University. So what I am saying is, that this problem is not likely to be connected to China country's policy of not letting young russian or any girls in. I suspect, that there might be political issues. Did this girl have problems in getting L or any other visas in the past? Did she participate in any political demonstrations in the past? I know that in Tibet Univeristy some people were rejected because in their reccomendation letters there was a phrase like: "He likes Chinese culture a lot. He also travelled to China AND Tibet many times". The person got rejected because words "China" and "Tibet" in his reccomendation letter were put on same level, instead of writing "He travelled to China and China's Tibet many times". So you never know why they might reject you ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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