Alhazred Posted July 14, 2004 at 02:48 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 02:48 PM Are ang and eng supposed to be pronounced differently ? To me, 上 and 圣 for example, sound exactly the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:02 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:02 PM Are ang and eng supposed to be pronounced differently ? To me, 上 and 圣 for example, sound exactly the same... yes, they are pronounced differently. 上: http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound3b/3655zj.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0b/855am.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0d/855ch.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound3d/3655ch.wav 圣: http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0b/351am.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0a/351jz.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0c/351lz.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound0d/351cpa.wav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhazred Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:06 PM Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:06 PM Thanks for the quick answer ! I hear the difference better in your examples, than in full sentences, my ear still needs training... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:13 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:13 PM In phrases: 圣 诞 节 假 期 http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound6b/6051lz.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound6d/6051mz.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound6f/6051wx.wav 身 上 有 好 几 处 伤 http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound2d/2526ls.wav http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound2e/2526sc.wav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhazred Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:24 PM Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:24 PM The difference is indeed very slight when used in a sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:33 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 at 03:33 PM I still hear sheng and shang clearly, but give it time you will get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted July 15, 2004 at 12:02 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 at 12:02 AM I think that the "standard American accent" (i.e., what national broadcaster use) has about the same distinction between "shot" and "shut" as Mandarin has between "shang" and "sheng." The "ng" mades the distinction a little less audible, but I think it is basically the same. In other words, if you listen for the same vowels as in English, you should be able to hear and make the distinctions. The true Mandarin vowels are different from the American equivalents, but the differences are fairly small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted July 15, 2004 at 03:45 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 at 03:45 AM try 长城，上升，圣上，王翁，增长，横行(hang) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibo77 Posted July 16, 2004 at 04:23 AM Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 at 04:23 AM Hey Alhazred! The "ang"'s "a" is as French"rat". The "eng"'s "e" is as French"je" (zhuh). Try saying "rat-ng" and "je-ng". One is more "ah-ng", the other is more "uh-ng" Both "ah" and "uh" are nasalised. Sorry if it's no help. -Shibo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhazred Posted July 16, 2004 at 01:35 PM Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 at 01:35 PM Yes, I tried pronouncing and it helped, what's now left for me to do is to learn to distinguish them amidst other sounds. Thanks everyone for your answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Rakoczi Posted January 20, 2011 at 05:44 PM Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 at 05:44 PM Resurrecting an old thread... How to write 'ang' and 'eng' using IPA? My guess: ang = ɑŋ eng = ɤŋ I used the first table in this Vowels section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_phonology#Vowels to figure out the sounds. Am I correct? In a way it doesn't feel right, because 'ang' feels like it's at the back of the mouth, and 'eng' feels like more front. But both ɑ and ɤ are back wovels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbradfor Posted January 20, 2011 at 07:00 PM Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 at 07:00 PM From wikipedia, it's [ɑŋ] and [əŋ]. That article does use [ɤ], but only for 'e' by itself, not as part of eng (or en). But both ɑ and ɤ are back wovels... What's a wovel? Is it some type of animal? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hofmann Posted January 21, 2011 at 02:50 AM Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 at 02:50 AM It changes so much. I wish somebody would just get a good source and fix all Mandarin IPA on Wikipedia. The problem is that I haven't seen a good source yet. Therefore, I don't want people to go citing sources that think Mandarin has voiced obstruents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Rakoczi Posted January 22, 2011 at 08:12 PM Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 at 08:12 PM From wikipedia, it's [ɑŋ] and [əŋ]. Strange. To me, for example in cheng it doesn't sound like [əŋ] at all. Maybe there's something wrong with my ears... What's a wovel? Is it some type of animal? ;) It changes so much. I wish somebody would just get a good source and fix all Mandarin IPA on Wikipedia. The problem is that I haven't seen a good source yet. Therefore, I don't want people to go citing sources that think Mandarin has voiced obstruents. Yep, the Mandarin IPA in Wikipedia is a mess. Btw, isn't r a voiced obstruent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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