Gharial Posted March 25, 2010 at 06:52 PM Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 at 06:52 PM Harbaugh has this as kao3 and the head of one of his etymological trees, whilst Wieger has it as qiao3 and the head of one of his phonetic series. Meanwhile MBDG for example lists both pronunciations, but that seems as unhelpful as helpful! I've looked ahead in each work and can see some sort of interplay with 老 / 耂 (+ 丂) > 考 , but delving too deep makes my tender little nose bleed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trien27 Posted March 26, 2010 at 01:11 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 at 01:11 AM Harbaugh has this as kao3 This is why: ㄎ k From 丂 kǎo which is actually derived from 考. "qiao" was maybe a later sound change, when 丂 is a part of characters. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo#Origin_of_the_letters http://www.byvoid.com/blog/pa-origin/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaxiu Posted March 26, 2010 at 04:38 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 at 04:38 AM Interesting.... Wenlin spits out: ************ 丂 [qiǎo] (component: 'breath, sigh'; phonetic in 考號巧朽) "A symbol analogous to that of 氣 etc." --Karlgren. 考 [kǎo]... From 耂(老 lǎo) 'old' and 丂 qiǎo phonetic. ************ Harbaugh 考 {kǎo] Old 老（phonetic,abbreviated) and obstructed breath 丂...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gharial Posted March 26, 2010 at 05:42 AM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 at 05:42 AM Thanks for the replies. I was rather holding out (with whatever logic I was forming in my bonce) for 丂 as qiao3 (rather than kao3) to head the section of the dictionary-listing I'm compiling, and the stuff you've provided Chaxiu is the clincher for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hofmann Posted March 26, 2010 at 01:09 PM Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 at 01:09 PM Most of its homophones in Middle Chinese 考攷栲槁祰洘燺䯪薧 are kao3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manjuniyalma Posted March 26, 2010 at 11:41 PM Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 at 11:41 PM According to Wikitionary, this character has three pronunciations in Mandarin: kǎo (kao3), qiǎo (qiao3), yú (yu2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gharial Posted March 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM I saw the yu pronunciation on MBDG, but that would seem the odd one out in terms of any phonetic grouping (series, tree or whatever). Still, I'm no expert on older forms of Chinese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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