Jump to content
Chinese-forums.com
Learn Chinese in China

  • Why you should look around

    Since 2003, Chinese-forums.com has been helping people learn Chinese faster and get to China sooner. Our members can recommend beginner textbooks, help you out with obscure classical vocabulary, and tell you where to get the best street food in Xi'an. And we're friendly about it too. 

    Have a look at what's going on, or search for something specific. We hope you'll join us. 
Sign in to follow this  
HashiriKata

Sentences with 没有...以前

Recommended Posts

skylee
in the northern hemisphere and in northern China, the shady side of a mountain will be the northern slope and the shady side of a river valley will be the southern slope. The reason is that the sun is always in the southern side of the sky if one is in the northern hemisphere. Likewise, the sunny side of a mountain will be the southern side, whereas the sunny side of a river valley will be the northern side.

My understanding is more or less the same. Otherwise it would be difficult to understand/remember them.

Everyday language is sometimes illogical. We have recently discussed "出乎意料", "意料之外" and "出乎意料之外" on another thread. To me the three mean the same, but one might feel that somehow something is redundant here (and I prefer the last version :lol: ).

BTW, to make a quote box, the close tag should be "", not "[/unquote]". Or you can simply click "Close Tags" (in blue on the upper right hand corner of the space where you type your message).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Site Sponsors:
Pleco for iPhone / Android iPhone & Android Chinese dictionary: camera & hand- writing input, flashcards, audio.
Study Chinese in Kunming 1-1 classes, qualified teachers and unique teaching methods in the Spring City.
Learn Chinese Characters Learn 2289 Chinese Characters in 90 Days with a Unique Flash Card System.
Hacking Chinese Tips and strategies for how to learn Chinese more efficiently
Popup Chinese Translator Understand Chinese inside any Windows application, website or PDF.
Chinese Grammar Wiki All Chinese grammar, organised by level, all in one place.

Jose

Hashirikata, your question is very interesting, and I think Altair gives a very good answer. This Chinese construction reminds me of a very similar case in Spanish, involving, as Altair mentioned, the preposition "hasta".

In fact, your Chinese example can be translated into Spanish as:

Hasta que se casó estaba muy solo (1)

or

Hasta que no se casó estaba muy solo (2)

The latter sentence adds an illogical "no" with no change in meaning. Historically, this second construction originated from a sloppy confusion of "until" and "while". Although Spanish grammarians have traditionally frowned upon that illogical use of the negative, it has become so common, even in good literature, that it is generally accepted as correct these days.

Another example of a pleonastic use of the negative that goes against logical analysis would be the double negatives occasionally used by some English speakers, like "he didn't say nothing", which usually means "he said nothing", and not "he said something". In English such double negatives are regarded as bad grammar, but they are the norm in other languages, like Spanish or Russian, for example.

I suppose something similar has happened in Chinese with the 以前 construction. What I don't know is whether the unnecessary 没有 might be regarded as bad style by some speakers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and select your username and password later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Click here to reply. Select text to quote.

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...