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eddyf

I only ever used Glossika back when it was just mp3s/PDFs, not whatever they have these days, but back then it was the same exact set of sentences for every language, so assuming that's still the case then I think doing both the Taiwanese and mainland version would mostly just not be worth the extra time it would take. It takes enough dedication as it is to get through all of the available material using a single version. It's best to just pick one and stick to it.

 

I also made use of Chinesepod extensively and I felt like Glossika and Chinesepod were sort of complementary and best suited for different purposes. Specifically Chinesepod was great as a low-intensity form of studying that built up listening comprehension and Glossika was more high-intensity and helped with speaking. I'm sure you could try to use one resource for both purposes, but if you don't mind paying for both then it helps. Chinesepod made more of an effort to be fun and that made it easier to get more listening hours in. If you tried to use Glossika for listening practice instead, you would get bored and worn out much more quickly. On the other hand, Glossika was designed with a much bigger focus on picking a corpus of sentences that get progressively harder and cover a wide variety of grammatical structures, so for intense studying it's going to give more bang for your buck. But if you have to pick just one then I would probably go with Chinesepod (with the disclaimer that I haven't really looked at what Glossika is like these days so maybe my impressions are out of date).

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Flickserve
21 hours ago, Jan Finster said:

a) is there any benefit in doing both the Taiwanese and the mainland version? Or would this rather "hurt" your pronunciation as you may end up speaking a mix of both (plus your native accent)? Are the sentences the same or do you get "more" sentences if you complete both versions?

b) could you not achieve the same results with something like Chinesepod (i.e. playing audio of individual sentences and repeating them)? As far as I can see, Chinesepod appears to offer a lot on top of that, which would be a surplus.

c) how long would it take to complete the whole Glossika Mandarin course? (is a 12-month subscription worth it or will I be "done" after 4-6 months)

 

I haven't used glossika for a while - here are some reasons with the answer to your questions.

 

A) the sentences are not always the same. Sometimes the arrangement of words or the words used are different according to the different region.

 

Regarding pronunciation, I think it isn't a good platform for learning pronunciation. You only hear a sentence two times. The first time I end up just listening, the second time is when you can manage to try and shadow. After that, it goes on to a new sentence. I had a lot of difficulty with this. It doesn't let you get into a rhythm of practicing a certain sentence. To take analogies from practicing sports or music, you wouldn't practice a certain combination just twice and intersperse it with other combinations. Glossika argues that the sentence comes up again but I think it is better for listening than speaking.

 

B) yes. Additionally Chinese pod has a dialogue so you know the context. Glossika has lots of individual sentences and some of the translations are off putting. They don't translate accurately by missing out some details. 

 

C) don't know. At least a year if you can tolerate random sentences.

 

 

There are a few reasons I stopped using glossika.:

 

1) the problem of translations

2) I prefer to listen to a sentence more than a few repetitions at one time if I am practicing

3) a cumbersome ability to repeat a sentence. You have to mark it as a favourite and go through a separate process to hear it again.

4) boredom - the voices are largely emotionless.

 

I did a few Chinese pod and it feels much better. There's better emotion when they say the dialogue and that helps a lot in reinforcement.

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suMMit

@eddyf”same exact set of sentences for every language"

 

How many different languages are we talking? That seems a bit odd, because certain sentences would not be very relevant in a particular culture.

 

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eddyf
3 minutes ago, Flickserve said:

I think it is better for listening than speaking

To clarify, when I said Glossika helped with speaking I meant more in terms of learning to produce different grammatical structures, not in terms of pronunciation. I would agree that Glossika probably goes too fast to use it for learning pronunciation. Frankly I see Glossika more as an intermediate to advanced resource to help push fluency to the next level by sheer exposure to a high volume of sentences and I wouldn't recommend it unless you already have a decent foundation in place in terms of vocab, pronunciation, etc.

 

2 minutes ago, suMMit said:

How many different languages are we talking? That seems a bit odd, because certain sentences would not be very relevant in a particular culture.

They pretty much just came up with all the sentences in English, then hired people to translate and record them in different languages. You have to admit it's a very scalable model and it means that the same system can be used to learn any language starting from any other language. While this does mean that the subject matter ends up more restricted this way, I think the focus is really on the grammar more than anything else, so the subject matter isn't that important in the end.

 

So I guess to summarize, if you're already pretty good at Chinese but you want to improve your gut feel for grammar and get better at forming complicated sentences on the fly, then that's where Glossika is most useful.

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Tomsima

I completely disagree on the role a resource like Glossika can play in improving pronounciation, especially intonation and stress in a tonal language, which is so difficult to master beyond just basic tones and tone pairs. I can still hear sentences from years ago ringing in my ears today, and often helps me out when i am thinking about where stress should lie in a sentence and how to express this. That being said, I used and still use glossika audio from its pre-online service days, so the audio is all plugged into my own anki deck, and is customisable according to what and how I want to learn.

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imron
17 minutes ago, Tomsima said:

I can still hear sentences from years ago

From years ago probably being the key difference, so not the current online incarnation.

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Jan Finster
11 hours ago, Flickserve said:

2) I prefer to listen to a sentence more than a few repetitions at one time if I am practicing

 

I just tested their current version with a 7-day free account: actually you seem to be able to repeat a sentence as often as you like if you hit the "play" button:

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2 hours ago, imron said:

From years ago probably being the key difference, so not the current online incarnation

Why would you feel the current online version is inferior to the old version? Is it just because you cannot include them into Anki that easily anymore?

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roddy

Also having a play around on the 7-day freebie. Seems to work ok on the Silk browser on my Amazon tablet, and the sentence learning bit is automatic enough (with typing and speaking turned off) to be propped up on console of an exercise bike. 

 

Do the recordings actually do anything? I know I can play them back if I want to, but is that it? I see in the FAQ they say they don't get played back immediately to maintain the pace of the session, but does it prompt you at any point to listen to them and reflect on how awful you are, or how much progress you've made?

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Flickserve
15 hours ago, Jan Finster said:

actually you seem to be able to repeat a sentence as often as you like if you hit the "play" button:


that’s not very convenient to only have it repeat  once.
 

how many repetitions do people normally need to learn a new sentence? For me, it’s quite a lot.

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Jan Finster
11 minutes ago, Flickserve said:

that’s not very convenient to only have it repeat  once.

No, you can hit the play button as often as you like and repeat it as often as you want. 

Just now I also found they have "memory" function. If you go there, you can replay any sentence you have been exposed to as often as you like:

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mungouk

Just got an email from Outlier about this:

 

If anyone's about to sign up (ie. pay) for Glossika then there's a black friday promo on at the moment, use code HAPPYFRIDAY19 to get 47% off for a month if you pay monthly, or 47% off a year if you pay yearly.

 

The code's valid until 2 December.

 

 

 

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