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BBC Show: Are British Kids Tough Enough to Handle Chinese School?

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mungouk

These episodes are on youtube if anyone's interested:

 

S01E01

S01E02

S01E03

 

See also some reactions in China reported in English via Xinhua and CGTN

 

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roddy

Generally, if something's interesting enough to post about, we'd appreciate it if people write at least a line or two about it, rather than a simple copy and paste. 

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suMMit

好吧

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Xiao Kui
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being educated by Chinese teachers using traditional Chinese teaching methods

 

 

This is almost never a good idea...

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roddy

Merged the above few posts with the earlier discussion. 

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Dawei3

Many of my Chinese friends who came to the US for grad school would likely disagree with this.  A surprising number say they learned "nothing" in college (under the "superior" Chinese teaching methods).  Notably, those that came were typically top or near the top of their class.  Many were in the top % of their high school.

  

On 1/13/2020 at 9:05 AM, suMMit said:

for a period of four weeks

In addition to Jan's excellent point about an appropriate control group, how much can really be measured from 4 weeks of teaching?  Regarding learning 4 wks of Mandarin, what could be tested other than that from rote memorization?  Also, the teachers likely knew they were being evaluated and it's quite reasonable to think they were motivated to show their superiority over this very short time.  A appropriate comparison would be from a year or years of study.

 

I had always read about how K-12 students from China rank as superior academically when compared internationally.  Then someone pointed out, these rankings are based on students from just 4 highly developed areas in China:  Beijing, Shanghai, Zhejiang and (I forget the 4th).  These are more affluent than the rest of the country.  If student performance from Yunan or Xinjiang was compared internationally, the ranking would be far lower.  I'd love to see an accurate comparison.      

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Jan Finster

Would be interesting to put Chinese students into a Finnish school for a year😁

This video was shared a lot by my Chinese friends on Facebook. They were all in utter disbelief about how nice school could be😊 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHHFGo161Os

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somethingfunny

Don't be fooled.  Finnish schools were once the envy of the world, but their embrace of progressive education policy is coming to fruition and the result is a continued slip down PISA rankings.

 

The UK, on the other hand, has embraced some aspects of traditional teaching methods that would be common place in schools in China, and they have seen their position move up recently.

 

I'd like to know what exactly is meant by "traditional Chinese teaching methods", and how this differs from just plain "traditional teaching methods".  The forefront of the educational debate in the UK is a return to certain aspects of so-called "traditional" teaching, mainly as a remedy to going too far down the progressive rabbit-hole.  I wouldn't want to go to a Chinese school, but there are plenty of "traditional" schools in the UK that I would be more than happy attending.

 

On the question of whether or not British pupils are tough enough for a Chinese school, the answer is emphatically "yes".  To find out what's happening, simply google "strict schools in britain" and you'll see what our young men and women are capable of.

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Balthazar
8 hours ago, Dawei3 said:

Many of my Chinese friends who came to the US for grad school would likely disagree with this.  A surprising number say they learned "nothing" in college (under the "superior" Chinese teaching methods)

 

Isn't there a big difference between primary/secondary/high school and college in China? Not that I have any personal experience with it, but I've heard there is very little work involved at college undergraduate level (but that's it hard as hell up until and through gaokao).

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roddy

Agreed, nobody is trying to emulate Chinese colleges. 

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somethingfunny

Yes, seconded. It’s not useful to talk collectively about Chinese high schools and universities.  In the same way, it’s probably also not helpful to talk about Beijing high schools and Guizhou high schools as being the same thing.

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roddy
11 hours ago, somethingfunny said:

To find out what's happening, simply google "strict schools in britain" and you'll see what our young men and women are capable of.

Why not cut out the middlegoogle and just tell us what you want us to look at...

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Flickserve

There must be some balance in-between very strict Asian type education (China, Japan, S Korea, S'pore) and progressive type where they fall into a trap of bringing up a generation of 'thinkers' without substance. 

 

Discipline at school is good. However, teachers are there to teach. Discipline comes from the home.

 

11 hours ago, Balthazar said:

I've heard there is very little work involved at college undergraduate level (but that's it hard as hell up until and through gaokao).

 

Suspect it is very lecture based for a lot of courses.

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Flickserve
20 hours ago, Dawei3 said:

In addition to Jan's excellent point about an appropriate control group, how much can really be measured from 4 weeks of teaching?  Regarding learning 4 wks of Mandarin, what could be tested other than that from rote memorization?  Also, the teachers likely knew they were being evaluated and it's quite reasonable to think they were motivated to show their superiority over this very short time.  A appropriate comparison would be from a year or years of study.

 

I agree. However you really want to evaluate 'effctiveness' which is a measure of an intervention under real world conditions. That's a strength of the experiment. 12h a day versus 7h a day is part of the experiment. What you have to consider in the real world is in those 5h of free time, what would the kids be usually doing? If they are doing ECA's, then that useful time. But frequently, they are watching YouTube or gaming. I think boarding schools are quite disciplined in that prep time is organised and expected. Private schools have a culture of being more disciplined than many government schools in UK so I think that's where better results come out.

 

Sidenote: If government schools had a stricter policy on discipline, then probably we would see a rise in achievement. I don't think continual attacks by labour on private schools is the answer. Labour party should concentrate on bringing standards up and not bringing standards down. 

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