Bigdumogre Posted September 15, 2015 at 01:23 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 01:23 PM In the Npcr book one they have 丁 as nail but every resource I looked at for nail I get 钉。They are both ding1 so pronunciation is the same just writing is different. Does it matter which way you write it? Or is it a typo? Or am I just confused ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vellocet Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:16 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:16 PM Yeah, that one fooled me too. I was corrected in public by Chinese friends when I tried it. I don't know why NPCR deliberately misleads students like this. My advice is to dump it and try another, more reliable textbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:29 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:29 PM Picture of a nail. Now 钉(釘) dīng is used for 'nail', with the addition of 钅(金 jīn) 'metal'. This is according to wenlin. It is a picture of a nail but is not used on its own to mean nail these days. 丁is a surname pronounced ding. It might seem a bit confusing but there is no reason to dump it and try another, more reliable textbook. NPCR is a very good text book IMO and no textbook is perfect, so I wouldn't be so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater and loose the good resource that it is. @bigdumogre what chapter is in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdumogre Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:38 PM Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:38 PM This is according to wenlin. It is a picture of a nail but is not used on its own to mean nail these days. 丁is a surname pronounced ding. It might seem a bit confusing but there is no reason to NPCR is a very good text book IMO and no textbook is perfect, so I wouldn't be so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater and loose the good resource that it is. @bigdumogre what chapter is in? Thanks It's in chapter 2 in the work book and text book. I'm up to chapter 7 in textbook and just started doing workbook and noticed it. Plus I rally like Npcr no reason to change it over a mistake/slightly dated for 1 word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:48 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 02:48 PM "My advice is to dump it and try another, more reliable textbook. " Such as? Anyway, like Shelley says, baby and bathwater. Watch the pronunciation of 钉 - it's one of those where the verb and noun have different tones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdumogre Posted September 15, 2015 at 03:00 PM Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 03:00 PM "My advice is to dump it and try another, more reliable textbook. " Such as? Anyway, like Shelley says, baby and bathwater. Watch the pronunciation of 钉 - it's one of those where the verb and noun have different tones. Thanks saw 腚 from word 擦腚纸 Production is so important, hate when people say don't learn till later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiao Kui Posted September 15, 2015 at 03:40 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 03:40 PM It is a picture of a nail but is not used on its own to mean nail these days. Used to represent a thong in 丁字裤 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vellocet Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:26 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:26 PM A mistake so basic, simple, and easy to correct makes me doubt the whole system. I'm sure people have used this book to learn and have nostalgia for it, but it's been out for ages and I can't believe it hasn't been fixed by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdumogre Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:38 PM Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:38 PM A mistake so basic, simple, and easy to correct makes me doubt the whole system. I'm sure people have used this book to learn and have nostalgia for it, but it's been out for ages and I can't believe it hasn't been fixed by now. What "perfect" books have you used to study? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:58 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 05:58 PM Ok I have had a look at that chapter, what you have there is them trying to teach you component parts of characters, most of which do have a name or meaning but not all get used in isolation. I had to work this out for myself by looking up a few things and as you progress it becomes clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandel1luke Posted September 15, 2015 at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 06:21 PM In Classical Chinese apparently both 丁 and 钉 mean "nail". （丁 also has a host of other meanings） In modern Chinese only 钉 is used. I consulted 《王力古汉语字典》。It says 通”钉“ but 丁 has only one usage in classical literature with this meaning. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdumogre Posted September 15, 2015 at 06:26 PM Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 06:26 PM Thank both of you Mandel and cat lady Does actually clear up a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted September 15, 2015 at 08:32 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 08:32 PM A mistake so basic, simple, and easy to correct makes me doubt the whole system Its not a mistake, as shown by the explanations given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted September 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM I have just been going through lesson 10 and have realised that the way it is organised is you get some characters under the heading of "Learn and Write Basic Characters" these are the component parts of characters that later appear under the heading "Learn and Write the Chinese Characters Appearing in the Texts" these are the characters in the texts that are made from the component parts in the first section. I think the key here is the word basic. This is reinforced in the workbook. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechuan Posted September 16, 2015 at 12:47 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 at 12:47 AM 丁 is basically a pictogram of a nail. It's a useful character component to know. The standard character for nail, 钉, has the 'metal' component on the left side, and the 'nail' component on the right side. Learn more about character components . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stapler Posted September 16, 2015 at 06:36 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 at 06:36 AM Often they are interchangeable too. EG. 补丁 can be spelt 补钉 (or even 补靪).... though some dictionaries say the last 2 are errors, there doesn't seem to be any broad consensus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindmaxd Posted September 16, 2015 at 07:55 AM Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 at 07:55 AM 丁 同本义。丁为“钉”的古字 [nail] 丁,钻也。象形。今俗以钉为之,其质用金或竹,若木。——《说文》 http://www.zdic.net/z/14/xs/4E01.htm 丁 was used to say 钉 in the ancient,but now people just use 钉 to say nail。 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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