DavyJonesLocker Posted March 3, 2019 at 05:47 AM Report Share Posted March 3, 2019 at 05:47 AM 5 hours ago, AdamD said: I'm deliberately not focusing on listening right now because it's frankly soul destroying, but right now I'm on a group call with a few people speaking English and Chinese. One of them suggested I do all the things I've been doing for years (which haven't worked for me but apparently work for everyone else), and then suggested I try something different (which I've also tried doing for years). Now they've all jumped to Chinese and I can't understand enough to know what's going on. Where I'm going with the above is this: it's great that people want to help, but when people who have achieved listening proficiency suggest techniques I've already tried and failed at, it actually makes me feel worse. A lot worse. It's the number one reason I don't want to keep trying. Sorry, I'm not looking for reassurance or sympathy or pep talks, I just wanted to say this. I get where your coming from, it is soul destroying at times. I was talking to a friend of mine last week who has been learning Chinese for 10+ years and basically getting nowhere. We were discussing that if, at the very start you could foretell how much effort you needed to put in just to be able,many years later stumble through a conversation not really understanding half of it , would you have taken up Chinese in the first place. For me its a resounding "No, not a chance"! For example my flash card total hasn't increased in a year and thats with studying every day. So people say read more, I read every day from text books graded, to signs outside, wechat etc. I read all the graded readers yet I can hardly remember a single word. It simply doesn't sink it. For example I am reviewing my spoken chinese book for the 9th time and its filled with words that not only can I not recall, but I have no recollection even seeing them in the first place. I write characters almost every day, yet in more than a year I cannot get past 1000, a weeks break like at christmas sets me back at least a month. My brain will instantly throw out the information and be resistant to learning it again. My anki default review times of 2 and 10 minutes I have had to readjust to 1min, 3m 10m as if I leave it at 2min there is no chance i will recall it People are generally helpful and say "oh anyone can learn and can attain an advanced level , I think thats BS to be honest. I ask them them if you can learn physics, computer science or mathematics which I always found easy (my PhD is in mathematics and I passed the microsoft coding exams) and they say "oh no no I was never any good at that". Its the same argument, people are inclined towards one discipline over another and these natural abilities can differ to a great extend. My teacher told me that I really am not cut out for learning Chinese as my work effort v output is appalling. As you say, people offer solutions so you adapt your learning, try if for a while and realise actually there is no path of enlightenment no matter what you do. I am resigned to the fact that I will hover around HSK 5 level and asymptotically tend towards HSK 6 over the next 5 odd years My attitude now is that I don't want it taking over my life, so I am not bothered about it too much anymore, I will end up resenting it. Striking the balence is a personal choice 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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