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imron
12 hours ago, Tomsima said:

but the srs system doesn't seem to work as well as pleco/supermemo itself

Most SRS algorithms are based on the various different supermemo ones.  Anki seems to be based on SM2.

 

Supermemo however has one of the worst UIs I've ever seen (even worse than Wenlin).  I used it back when it was the only SRS program in town, and I'm happy there are now many, many, many other options (they are almost all based on the workings and algorithms of SM though).

 

12 hours ago, mikelove said:

There's also a new default Pleco system which basically starts from the principle that SRS is not that useful for long-term recall (because long-term memory doesn't even really decay exponentially anyway); it uses fixed steps for learning / forgotten cards, but then lumps all of your 'review' cards into a big pool and doesn't try to schedule them / simply gives you however many you'd like roughly sorted by how long it's been since you last reviewed them

I like the sound of this.

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ZhuoMing
12 hours ago, mikelove said:

Pleco 4

So when can we expect this to be released? 😁

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mikelove
1 hour ago, ZhuoMing said:

So when can we expect this to be released? 😁

 

When it's ready. The plan is for it to basically drop out of the sky one day unannounced in the form of a TestFlight beta signup + probably some sort of preview post.

 

The core stuff is pretty much done + working well, it just takes a long time to fill in little subtle details + refine the UI to the point where everybody can use it. (the feedback benefits of releasing a rough early version are not really enough to cover the effort it would take to package one up, sadly)

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ZhuoMing
12 minutes ago, mikelove said:

The plan is for it to basically drop out of the sky one day unannounced in the form of a TestFlight beta signup + probably some sort of preview post.

 

Thats good to hear, looking forward to it! 

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Tomsima
16 hours ago, imron said:

Supermemo however has one of the worst UIs I've ever seen (even worse than Wenlin)


This was so cathartic to read. Supermemo is perhaps the worst UI that has ever existed. I hate it, it crashes with stupid bugs that could almost certainly be fixed quickly and easily,  its packed with 90s keyboard shortcuts, and the support website 'resolved' answers are almost always 'just dont press that button, learn to do it by pressing this combination instead and you'll get used to it eventually. That being said, I'm interested in the whole incremental reading thing, so im trying it out for a few months/one year to see whether or not it works for me. So far I actually really like it. Despite the program itself being stubbornly user-unfriendly.

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laurenth
On 4/30/2019 at 1:08 AM, matteo said:

Can I ask why Anki seems to be so unpopular?

 

I don't think it's unpopular. And, for what it's worth, here is how I use it in combination with Pleco and Chinese Text Analyser. Once I have studied a text in CTA, I export the list of unknown words in this order:

 

- Simplified

- Sentence

- Pinyin

- English definition

 

In Anki, I import the file in a special "Export CTA" type, in which I incorporated a "hint" function  to reveal the sentence with the word in context:

 

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If I don't have to click, on 比如说  to find the meaning, I consider the card is "easy". And Here's what happens if I do click on 比如说:

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If I have to see the hint to find the meaning, I pass the card as difficult or correct, but not as 'easy'.

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As you can see, I very often paste the word in Google image to find an illustrative picture. Somehow, it helps remembering.

 

As for Pleco, I use the option in "Flashcards" that sends words to Anki instead of the built-in Pleco flashcard system. One click. Easy as pie. 

 

And therefore I have a one-stop solution to study words taken from CTA and Pleco, with a hint on demand, and pictures (which I don't think Pleco will ever support). And anti-leech protection (which Pleco should support in one way or another).

 

 

Aside:  @mikelove I wanted to submit a capture of Pleco but when I tap Settings > Flashcards, Pleco systematically crashes. Version 3.2.63 for Android

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mikelove
5 hours ago, laurenth said:

pictures (which I don't think Pleco will ever support)

 

Pictures are already implemented for 4.0 🙂 We'll probably add some sort of online image search support too eventually but not right away.

 

5 hours ago, laurenth said:

And anti-leech protection (which Pleco should support in one way or another).

 

We're adding a more obvious option for it in 4.0 (an actual checkbox that'll mention leeches), but it's already supported now via 'card filters', you just have go in and configure suitable criteria.

 

5 hours ago, laurenth said:

Aside:  @mikelove I wanted to submit a capture of Pleco but when I tap Settings > Flashcards, Pleco systematically crashes. Version 3.2.63 for Android

 

That's a new one - any chance Pleco might have lost its permission to connect to AnkiDroid?

 

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laurenth

@mikelove Pleco is tendentially becoming like emacs. One day it will have a doctor mode (Chinese medicine, of course).

 

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Leslie Frank

For the category of listening skills, how about adding a podcast for casual, informal conversations in Cantonese and Mandarin dealing mainly with health and medical matters. I need to talk with clients in Canto and Mando about their health and wellness, and as an ABC, there isn't much in the way of resources for such topics in English, Canto and Mando, so I've had to do a lot of research on my own, and thought it would be useful to share the kinds of information I've found. Tell me if you think these are useful:

https://soundcloud.com/leslie-frank-643243096
or
https://radiopublic.com/learn-cantonese-and-mandarin-for-8QdNJa
 

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艾墨本

@Leslie Frank Very useful resources, however, far too niche for the purposes of this list. I try to keep the list focused for a general audience and want to avoid extensive lists like the ones linked at the top of the post.

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