Use of 且,以

[nipponman]

Another question. I have read 且 used in a way that doesn't indicate "moreover, also, etc" and my dictionary doesn't expound on this usage, it just gives this sentence: 且不說你﹐連他最好的朋友的話他都不聽。 I don' really know what it is doing in the sentence. Is this a common expression? if so is got any examples?

Also, does 以 have any monosyllabic functions (my dictionary is bad at showing monosyllabic functions)? I know of the 以後 etc. and I know that 以 can mean "to use" -or something like that- I see it used here in sentences all the time. Any help would be appreciated,

nipponman

[fenlan]

Excessive Quoting Removed

The ABCD dictionary is great. 且 means "for the time being". 且不说 is a dictionary entry in itself meaning "leaving aside; not to mention". The sentence means "it's not just you; he doesn't even listen to his best friends". 以 can mean "in order to". I saw an example today: ，政府有必

要注意适当保护房地产的需求， 以维持内需. I suppose you know that 以 is often picked up by a 为 later in the sentence (with...as...) ? 以普通话为主 would mean "focusing on Mandarin", or literally "with Mandarin as the main thing".

[studentyoung]

且不說：let alone

且不說你﹐連他最好的朋友的話他都不聽。

He doesn’t listen to his best friend’s words, let alone yours.

For more on 且 please check the link:

http://cb.kingsoft.com/search?lang=utf-8&s=%E4%B8%94&d=PWDCCAC

Also, does 以 have any monosyllabic functions (my dictionary is bad at showing monosyllabic functions)?

For example: 以理服人 persuade through reasoning

For more on 以 please check the link:

http://cb.kingsoft.com/search?lang=utf-8&s=%E4%BB%A5&d=PWDCCAC

Thanks!

[asura]

I think 且不说你 is bit formal and often used in written Chinese. As for me, a native Chinese speaker, I don't speak like that. Usually I would say 别说是你.

[nipponman]

Yeah, I need the ABCD dictionary (I just hope it comes in traditional!) Thanks for all the info guys!

nipponman

[fenlan]

Get the Wenlin electronic programme, which includes the dictionary, rather than the print dictionary. It is the quickest way to search, and is brilliant. If you need to know any more words that may be in ABCD, let me know.

[nipponman]

Wenlin is way too expensive! 200.00$ for all that? No thanks, I'll take the ABCD paper back, but I can't find a link to it on the web, anyone got any?

nipponman