Christa Posted March 18, 2018 at 06:34 PM Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 06:34 PM What does 文 actually mean? Text? Script? Literature? Culture? What is its most basic meaning that the many terms that use it ultimately draw their own meanings from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregO Posted March 18, 2018 at 06:57 PM Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 06:57 PM This is from Wictionary...although you cannot believe everything you read on the internet :-) "Ideogram (指事): a man with a painted or tattooed chest – original form of 紋. In current form, tattoo has vanished, so simply an outline of a man (head, outstretched arms, legs, chest). Compare 大, which has no chest." The suggestion is that the original meaning was "symbol" or a written expression - something like that. I don't know if this is true but is seems to make sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 18, 2018 at 07:35 PM Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 07:35 PM Have read that in a broad sense it can be understood to have had the core meaning of 'pattern', see for example: https://revije.ff.uni-lj.si/as/article/view/2869; you can imagine for yourself how by extension it came to have meanings that have to be translated by that wider variety of English terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christa Posted March 18, 2018 at 11:13 PM Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 at 11:13 PM 4 hours ago, GregO said: This is from Wictionary...although you cannot believe everything you read on the internet :-) "Ideogram (指事): a man with a painted or tattooed chest – original form of 紋. In current form, tattoo has vanished, so simply an outline of a man (head, outstretched arms, legs, chest). Compare 大, which has no chest." The suggestion is that the original meaning was "symbol" or a written expression - something like that. I don't know if this is true but is seems to make sense. 3 hours ago, Jim said: Have read that in a broad sense it can be understood to have had the core meaning of 'pattern', see for example: https://revije.ff.uni-lj.si/as/article/view/2869; you can imagine for yourself how by extension it came to have meanings that have to be translated by that wider variety of English terms. Wow, these are a more interesting set of meaning than I thought I'd hear. Thanks! But then, how about today, what is the basic meaning of it now? Literature? Language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hofmann Posted March 19, 2018 at 01:33 AM Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 at 01:33 AM If by "basic" you mean most common, you can look for the most common meanings by looking at word frequency lists. Here's one. The most common words containing "文" are 文化, in which it means "culture" 文學, in which it means "literature" 文字, in which it means "glyph" 中文, in which it means "language" 文章, in which it means "text" You should see that each of these meanings is related, and ultimately stems from the first meaning "body markings." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christa Posted March 20, 2018 at 11:31 AM Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 at 11:31 AM On 19/03/2018 at 1:33 AM, Hofmann said: If by "basic" you mean most common, you can look for the most common meanings by looking at word frequency lists. Here's one. The most common words containing "文" are 文化, in which it means "culture" 文學, in which it means "literature" 文字, in which it means "glyph" 中文, in which it means "language" 文章, in which it means "text" You should see that each of these meanings is related, and ultimately stems from the first meaning "body markings." Thanks, this is really interesting and links well to the body markings meanings. It's exactly what I wanted to know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members 王麻子 Posted March 29, 2018 at 05:21 PM New Members Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 at 05:21 PM 文化, in which it means "culture" 文学, in which it means "literature" 文字, in which it means "glyph" 中文, in which it means "Chinese" 文章, in which it means " article" 文体, in which it means " article format" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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