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mungouk

Good find, @Luxi!

 

I managed to locate a public domain (19th century) translation of The Analects at Project Gutenberg.  

 

Does anyone who knows anything about these matters have an opinion on whether a more recent translation is preferable?  

 

 

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Jim

By no means an expert but I recall that many of the earlier translations such as Legge are seen as being a bit too heavily influenced by Western philosophical frameworks, in his case Christianity (he was a missionary), though his language is pretty good from a prosody point of view IMO. One excellent book I read was Ames and Hall's Thinking Through Confucius where a Sinologist and philosopher collaborate to give the text a very thorough treatment: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/228603.Thinking_Through_Confucius

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Luxi

Most of us (oldies) started with Legge's translations.

Yes, as @Jim says, his translations are influenced by Christian ideas, and he writes like a Victorian - obviously, but he was good with the language. The Project Guttenberg version has the Chinese text alongside - not that it is an easy read even with dictionaries, but it's good to have next to the translation in this case. You'll have a chance to compare with the quotes and readings in these classes.

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mungouk
23 minutes ago, Luxi said:

The Project Guttenberg version has the Chinese text alongside

 

Not in the Epub or the HTML version that I could see... is it in the Kindle version?

 

 

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Angelina

I think I have shared the complete works of 牟宗三  before, if you can understand Mandarin (as spoken today), and are interested in Confucian philosophy, the best way to start is starting with 牟宗三. 

 

http://www.ximalaya.com/12366487/album/328545/

 

 

 

English 

https://nineteenlectures.wordpress.com

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LuDaibola
On 5/11/2018 at 11:43 AM, Luxi said:

I found this Mooc  a little late (been going a few weeks) but I'm enjoying the lectures so much that I'd feel guilty if I didn't share.

 

 

Thanks so much for letting us in on this.  I've just begun the course and it's, indeed, fascinating.  I've been wanting to learn about Confucianism ever since 1) I read "The black-bearded barbarian : Mackay of Formosa"  which describes the missionary, Robert Mackay's, debates with Confucius scholars and 2) I began watching Asian historical dramas in which Confucian scholars often play a major role.   This is going to be good.

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艾墨本
2 hours ago, Angelina said:

think I have shared the complete works of 牟宗三  before, if you can understand Mandarin (as spoken today), and are interested in Confucian philosophy, the best way to start is starting with 牟宗三. 

 

http://www.ximalaya.com/12366487/album/328545/

Your link is to the 综论部 did you mean to link to his 中国哲学十九讲 as implied by the link to the translation?

 

I hope so, because the link you shared is terribly 书面语 and I didn't understand any of it.

 

EDIT: for the original 论语 check out https://ctext.org/

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Luxi

@Angelina,  I too am intrigued by the link you posted. An audio book in literary language without transcript or as much as a reference to the book or an explanation of what is it about? You credit us with the scholarship and linguistic proficiency of an Oxford professor! 

 

I'm also curious as to what makes you think that a 20thC Neoconfucian philosopher influenced by Kant and Tiantai Buddhism would be a good introduction to Confucius? Valuable and profound as this philosopher's writings may be, they don't sound like an ideal starting point to Confucian thought. 

 

From what I've seen of these lectures so far, one of the good points in Prof Chan's mooc is that it helps understand basic Confucius, without the heavy coating of  Neoconfucianism, which is a much later movement with a accretions from Daoism and Buddhism and who knows what else - a sort of Song Dynasty-and-later 'New Ageism'.

 

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