NinjaTurtle Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:01 PM Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:01 PM Are there any Brits here on this forum? I am American and I am not good at British English at all. The problem is this: more than once I have told a Chinese student (in China) that what they wrote on their paper was "Chinglish" and wrong, only to find out later that it was just an example of British English that I had not heard before. (How embarrassing!) Can anyone tell me if some examples of what I have heard are British English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingfunny Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:33 PM Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:33 PM Give us your examples and I'm sure someone will have something to say about them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaTurtle Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:37 PM Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 at 07:37 PM Ok. First one. "I recommend you to go to Japan." (Very often heard in China. I think it's safe to say Mainland Chinese students have no idea that there is another way to say this in English.) I would say not correct in American English. Correct in British English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted June 7, 2018 at 11:28 PM Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 at 11:28 PM I would consider this ok. I think it is correct grammatically but maybe not used that often. It sounds correct to my ear if a little stilted. I am Canadian by birth and lived there till I was 15 and came to the UK. I think it would be understood by most English speakers but maybe not used by younger people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted June 8, 2018 at 12:36 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 12:36 AM 10 hours ago, NinjaTurtle said: "I recommend you to go to Japan." I think that is just plain wrong. "I recommend you go to Japan" or "I recommend that you go to Japan" would be proper sentences, in the US or in GB. (At least in my opinion.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaTurtle Posted June 8, 2018 at 01:16 AM Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 01:16 AM So we have a no vote and a maybe vote. I'm curious what other people will say. Perhaps it is just 'Chinglish'. That is strange, because this is definitely the only form taught in China. Hey, abcdefg, are you in Texas? I am presently in Midland, Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 8, 2018 at 03:58 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 03:58 AM To my ear (English born and raised) it would more imply you are recommending someone for a posting in Japan than suggesting it was the best destination to choose themselves, though obviously not the correct way of saying that either. So while if heard in a real conversation I wouldn't be too fazed and would get the point if i was teaching I'd tell students it was an incorrect usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsima Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:20 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:20 AM British and taught English when I first came to China. "I recommend you to..." is so chinglish regardless of whether it is correct grammar or not (although I personally would not use a verb in the infinitive when recommending) simply because its a rut that all chinese english learners seem to get into. Speaking language in a natural way requires variety, and the fact that every time someone wants to recommend something to me, they simply must repeat the above formula without any variety. I got told my Chinese was wrong today because I used the word '專家‘ three times in one sentence. Not technically grammatically wrong, but just bad habits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vellocet Posted June 8, 2018 at 06:56 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 06:56 AM English teacher who isn't familiar with his own language? Unheard-of! Yeah, learn some other ways of speaking English. There are lots. Malaysian English, Australian English, Hong Kong English, Singapore English, Indian English, the list goes on. Learn your own language before teaching it to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingfunny Posted June 8, 2018 at 08:36 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 08:36 AM That's not any British English I've ever heard. I second abcdefg and Jim above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebro Posted June 8, 2018 at 09:35 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 09:35 AM Also British here. Sounds kinda weird. I'd say "I recommend Japan"/"I recommend going to Japan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppa Posted June 8, 2018 at 09:58 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 09:58 AM I'm British too, and I have spent a long time teaching English. It is not natural BrE. However, I think it should be allowed to be used, because I can't think of a natural way of saying that in BrE. 'I recommend you go to Japan' (subjunctive) may be OK in AmE (you will know that yourself), but not BrE. 'I recommend that you go to Japan' (subjunctive) also sounds AmE to me. I would probably say 'I recommend Japan'. I suppose it's just one of those problems when people want to translate a Chinese sentence word-for-word into English. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebro Posted June 8, 2018 at 10:25 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 10:25 AM Also a lot depends on the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davoosh Posted June 8, 2018 at 11:08 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 11:08 AM The Oxford English Dictionary does include "to recommend somebody to do something" as a valid example, but I think it sounds strange to most native British English speakers nowadays. In the passive it is fine, however: "They are recommended to be given the award". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungouk Posted June 8, 2018 at 11:37 AM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 11:37 AM Brit here, although not an English teacher. As @Zeppa points out, "I recommend you go" is subjunctive, which although correct is something that most native British English speakers would tend to avoid in conversation, as it can sound overly-formal. Like with many other things which are grammatically correct, but more likely to be used in more formal, written language than in conversation — for example using "whom", or insisting on tying yourself in knots to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition. And not starting a sentence with "And". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaTurtle Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:11 PM Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:11 PM 4 hours ago, mungouk said: And not starting a sentence with "And". 5 hours ago, davoosh said: "They are recommended to be given the award". This would not be correct in American English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mouse Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:18 PM Popular Post Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 04:18 PM 9 hours ago, vellocet said: Yeah, learn some other ways of speaking English. There are lots. Malaysian English, Australian English, Hong Kong English, Singapore English, Indian English, the list goes on. Learn your own language before teaching it to others. This is needlessly confrontational. Not sure how it helps the OP either, as they are clearly aware that there are regional variations of English. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaTurtle Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:01 PM Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:01 PM This has certainly been an interesting discussion. OK, second example: A: He said he would leave in one week. B. He said he would leave one week later. Both of these examples are correct and have different meanings in American English. Do they have different meanings in British English? (My students in China are totally unaware of example A.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbigniew Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:03 PM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:03 PM My habit, as a native Br. English speaker, has always been to say "recommend you + base form of verb (or subjunctive, depending on how you want to see it)". I have, however, noticed an increasing use of "recommend you to + base form of verb". "Suggest you to..." is showing a similar increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:30 PM Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 at 05:30 PM To me - A: Means - he will be leaving in one week. B: He will be leaving one week later than already arranged. They don't mean the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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