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Pear porridge for winter cough 雪梨粥

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889

I think we've talked before about the difference between home-cooked and restaurant-cooked dishes. But that certainly looks like what you'd expect to get at a first-class restaurant. Is the taste the same, or are there some professional secrets you haven't yet discovered?

 

(Roddy should add another award emblem there, "Tasty.")

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Thanks, @889 -- A restaurant would peel the pears. And the 川贝 chuan bei would be pounded into a powder with mortar and pestle instead of just being stewed. Of course there may also be other secrets that I haven't yet discovered. 

 

Many versions of this dish include the silver yin'er 银耳 Tremella fungus. That gives the dish a smoother finish but a texture 口感  that most westerners probably would not find appealing. I sometimes make an "all the way" version which includes it, but today I didn't. 

 

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It needs to be soaked, preferably overnight, the yellow central "core" or "stem" removed, and then it must be torn into small shreds by hand and cooked a long time to become tender. I usually pre-cook it before starting the pears and rice. 

 

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Adds an extra level of complexity; not sure it's worth it. 

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889

Silver fungus always seems to take over a dish: it becomes silver fungus with whatever, not whatever with a touch of silver fungus. Clearly a very different dish if you add it.

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Yes, agree. Difficult to use it with a light hand. I have not mastered it. 

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Jim

My wife will basically just stew pears for our daughter as a cough preventative, just a light syrup in the end with the pears in  (maybe a few other ingredients, will have to ask) but likewise tasty and seemingly somewhat effective.

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Alex_Hart
7 hours ago, abcdefg said:

One can use just the grains and the pear alone, very plain, but to enhance efficacy one can add some lotus seeds 莲子 and a few chuanbei seeds 川贝. Grocery stores have lotus seeds; a pharmacy 药店 will have 川贝。The latter is a powerful Chinese herbal medicine, tiny root bulbs of the Fritillaria cirrhosa plant, which grows on alpine slopes and meadows. These two items also benefit from soaking, right along with the grains. Recipes often call for hongzao 红枣 Chinese jujube dates, and gouqi/Chinese wolfberries  枸杞 as well. I like both, so included them. 

 

Does the 川贝 add any flavor/texture or is it just added for medicinal reasons? Would any pharmacy have it? 

 

Nice looking recipe! I think I might make this on Saturday (I already have a big basket of 雪梨, but have to buy some 莲子 and this 川贝 or I'd make it tomorrow!) - I'm not sick, but it looks like a great variation on 粥. 粥 is usually served with a wide variety of delicious pickles in Zhejiang, but I've found it impractical to keep so many pickles in my tiny fridge, and a frigid kitchen has prevented me from spending much time preparing anything for breakfast lately. Gotta love recipes with lots of dried ingredients, but one that you can mostly prepare the night before is even better!

 

2 hours ago, Jim said:

My wife will basically just stew pears for our daughter as a cough preventative, just a light syrup in the end with the pears in  (maybe a few other ingredients, will have to ask) but likewise tasty and seemingly somewhat effective.

My girlfriend does the same thing whenever she has even the hint of a cold: a sniffle, a second cough after the first, a slight scratchiness to her throat. Just some pears with 红糖 (haven't quite figured out if this is the same thing as brown sugar - it seems to have a different flavor that the brown sugar I'm used to and is as hard as a rock). Her mom prepares it with 红糖 and 阿胶 donkey hide (very popular lately thanks to a huge ad blitz, but not generally taken from sustainable sources so would not suggest trying it!).  

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15 hours ago, Alex_Hart said:

Does the 川贝 add any flavor/texture or is it just added for medicinal reasons? Would any pharmacy have it? 

 

Pretty sure that any Chinese pharmacy which stocks some herbal remedies should have it. My reason for that untested assumption (which could be wrong) is that chuanbei 川贝 is called for in lots of herbal decoctions.  From what I read (not being an expert) it's often on short lists of "TCM Treaures." Here's a clipping from an article in Shanghai Daily:

 

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Fritillaria, a bulbous plant with hanging, bell-shaped flowers, is known as chuan bei and its dried bulbs are used to treat coughs and reduce phlegm. It's also good for smokers.

Said to contain yin or "cold" energy, it clears inner heat (yang energy) and works in the lung and stomach, according to traditional Chinese medicine. It's a common ingredient in patent medicine for coughs.

 

...Chuan bei is an ingredient in more than 100 prescription remedies. 

 

First time I bought it I was surprised to find it was relatively expensive. Thought there must be some mistake and had the clerk double-check. This little package, half used by now, weighed 5 grams initially and cost 50 Yuan. (The ballpoint pens are just for size.) 

 

 

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Of course one only uses a little bit, 4 or 5 of the small dried bulbs, so it goes a long way. The most common recipe suggestion is to crush or grind it in a mortar and pestle. One reason is that it has a somewhat bitter flavor and this allows

you to disperse it in the soup. It's not unpleasantly bitter, and I find it offsets

some of the sweetness of the other ingredients.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By contrast, dried lily seeds are found in open bulk bins in the grocery store, as shown here where they were part of a large sales display of "seasonal tonics" 秋冬滋补季, alongside 枸杞,红枣 and several other popular remedies. It would be difficult to overstate the strength of ordinary people's 老百姓 belief in TCM remedies. They are very much part of the fabric of daily China life.  

 

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889

"Cut the pear into small pieces, removing stem and seeds. It's not necessary to peel it, though it does improve appearance."

 

But would you serve it this way to Chinese friends? In my experience, the quickest way to get that "You really are a barbarian" look is to pick up an unpeeled apple or pear and just start munching away on it.

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abcdefg

Yes, you're right. The pears should be peeled if serving the dish to Chinese guests. Thanks for pointing that out. 

 

 

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Jim

On the other hand the wife doesn't peel them, think she prefers pear chunks and the peel helps it stay together. Other ingredient is just sometimes gouji I think.

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Alex_Hart
On 1/4/2019 at 8:02 AM, abcdefg said:

Pretty sure that any Chinese pharmacy which stocks some herbal remedies should have it. My reason for that untested assumption (which could be wrong) is that chuanbei 川贝 is called for in lots of herbal decoctions.  From what I read (not being an expert) it's often on short lists of "TCM Treaures." Here's a clipping from an article in Shanghai Daily:

 

Went to two neighborhood pharmacies and while both usually had it, they were out of stock. It has been raining non-stop for two or three weeks now, maybe a lot of people were sick.

 

Girlfriend has had a sore throat recently so still wanted to make some even without the 川贝. Unfortunately, our ceiling is leaking and I found that water got into the 小米 bag only after I had already put the 糯米 and 莲子 in for a soak. Hangzhou living. 

 

Still good! Can see how this would be a nice thing to eat when sick and I liked the pears a lot. Girlfriend said she felt rejuvenated after having a bowl. 

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ChTTay
On 1/3/2019 at 8:30 PM, Jim said:

My wife will basically just stew pears for our daughter as a cough preventative

Many of my students come in with this too. They take great pleasure in telling me they dont have just water on those days 😂

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Today is Sunday and I rode my bike to a nearby seasonal fair which was being held in the courtyard of a shopping center the local English name of which is "Culture Palace" 文化馆。They had the usual assortment of booths and attractions, including costumed aunties dancing to ethnic music. 

 

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I stopped and sampled the wares at a booth selling 泡梨 pickled pears from Gejiu 个旧 in Honghe Prefecture 红河州。These are wildly popular in the winter months because of their beneficial effect on the lungs and the way they help with acute and chronic coughs.

 

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They are made with smaller pears of a special variety that grow in the mountains, not in valleys or suburban plastic tents 塑料大棚。They are tart to start with; astringent, not very sweet. My understanding is that they are picked young and put up in large sealed eathenware jugs for two or three months in a solution of acidified water, salt, and gancao/licorice root 甘草, plus a few other "secret herbs." They slowly ferment and come out tangy with a definite crunch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I bought half a kilo (一公斤十二块) and will enjoy them for most of this next week. Not sure if they are popular outside Yunnan and maybe nearby Guizhou. First time I tried them ten years ago, I mainly thought they were strange.  Now I still think they are strange, but have acquired a fondness for them in season. 

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3 hours ago, Alex_Hart said:

Unfortunately, our ceiling is leaking and I found that water got into the 小米 bag only after I had already put the 糯米 and 莲子 in for a soak. Hangzhou living. 

 

吃那么多苦!

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Alex_Hart
3 hours ago, abcdefg said:

I bought half a kilo (一公斤十二块) and will enjoy them for most of this next week. Not sure if they are popular outside Yunnan and maybe nearby Guizhou. First time I tried them ten years ago, I mainly thought they were strange.  Now I still think they are strange, but have acquired a fondness for them in season. 

Are they just eaten by themselves like fruit?  

 

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21 hours ago, Alex_Hart said:

Are they just eaten by themselves like fruit?  

 

Yes, but they are wet. The seller scooped out my half a kilo of whole pears (6 or 8 of them) into a plastic bag. After weighing them, she added a big ladle of juice to keep them fresh. I don't eat them while outside on the move because they make a mess and leave me with a sticky hand and mouth. I've seen some sellers dispense a sharp stick with them so you could spear one and eat it that way instead. I generally eat them at home with a knife and fork for the fruit and a spoon to drink some of the juice. (Probably not a very authentic approach.) 

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Jim

Talked to the wife about peeling pears and she thinks no-one ever used to, certainly in her part of the countryside, but it became common once pesticide and other agrochemicals became common. She gets hers from sources she trusts so keeps the peel because it has some of the best nutrients/medicinal properties.

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Pickled pears 泡梨 at home.

 

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Cut them up, remove seeds and stem, put them in a bowl along with some of the juice. The fruit is crisp and crunchy. The juice is not overly salty. 

 

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amytheorangutan

I wish I had read this earlier when I was ill after the Christmas holidays but still want to give this a go anyway as dessert 😊

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