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It Only Took 3 Years! The Mandarin Blueprint Method is Ready

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imron
11 hours ago, imron said:

At 80% you can get a vague sense of someone doing something, but almost all the details are missing

For those interested, the spoiler tags below contain the actual text that the 80% Chinese comprehension paragraph was based on (taken from the Amazon preview page of the Mandarin Companion book).

 

 

后来,她听到妈妈和别人说话,才知道真的出事了。她家里很多人都生病了,不到两天就死了很多人。李叶很难过,因为所有人都不理她。她一个人回到房间哭了一会儿,然后睡了很久。她起来的时候,还是没有人来看她。

 

Not having read this story, the main details were completely different from what I thought was happening when reading the 80% version of the text.

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roddy

I think more conventional marketing claims, such as that studying Chinese in this manner will result in financial and romantic success, might be less controversial. 

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We make it extraordinarily clear to people throughout the course that 80% is your foundation and you have a much longer road ahead if you want to approach native fluency.

 

So if at the end of the day if you're teaching "foundation" Mandarin as you've so clearly stated here, why not just call it foundation, instead of some wishy washy "80% of Mandarin" guff. 

 

Foundation Mandarin in as little 3 months is a more reasonable claim and I would not refute that, but hey it doesn't sound as impressive as 80% when it comes to marketing does it?

Basically, you are selling a foundation course, just like many others out there, no matter how well you try to dress it up. You know, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...

 

And you still haven't addressed my question about you guys passing HSK 6 in two years with just a few hours of study a week, because this is rather prominent on your website. What exactly were your circumstances and prior experience for completing it in such a short space of time? 

 

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So far only two people have asked for their money back, and so it's fair to say that the people who didn't ask for their money back weren't under the impression that they would be nearly done after the foundation.

 

Your marketing claims are still nonsense.

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DavyJonesLocker

I think having seen all the discussion here it really boils done to "if you're curious, give it a try and see what happens". Ignore what's written on the tin and don't convince yourself you have found the gold at the end of the rainbow.  Disliking the market claim doesn't equate to the method not being beneficial. 

One could try it for a few months, see how you get on and you will be in a better position to decided if worth continuing.

 

Realistically one method can works well for certain periods of time depending on your Chinese level and your learning style. When you advance it's often beneficial to favour another method. 

 

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Just stumbled upon this post and would be keen to use the coupon code MBCHINESEFORUMS can you please help Phil

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Jan Finster

Has anyone joined their premium courses?

Any more recent feedback?

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杰.克

The Mandarin Blueprint...

 

... something about the name of this programme really irks me. I think it was perhaps the seeding of me making this post

 

(https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/59660-wow-the-1-tip-to-fluency-in-chinese-that-actually-worked/?tab=comments#comment-464984)

 

Anyone reading this - THERE IS NO MANDARIN BLUEPRINT  that will lead to " guaranteed rapid fluency" *

 

Thats not to say this course, isn't useful, it may very well be. And thats not to say the designers and owners of this course, aren't using the same money making click bait ideas that everyone else is using (I imagine they have put alot of work in and you have to do what everyone else is doing). In fact I watched a few of their videos, and they seems to have pleasant personalities and good mandarin. But just to repeat , this is a marketing gimmick/lie

 

*As their website advertises

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Jan Finster
26 minutes ago, 杰.克 said:

Anyone reading this - THERE IS NO MANDARIN BLUEPRINT  that will lead to " guaranteed rapid fluency" *

 

Of course there isn´t.

Just like there is no method to run a marathon in under 2:30 within 3 months, if you are starting from scratch and you have no background in athletics.

 

The company made a lot of mistakes ("blueprint" is kind of a trite marketing expression to start with...), but I wonder if there are any aspects of their program that are useful and different from the competition?

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杰.克
11 minutes ago, Jan Finster said:

but I wonder if there are any aspects of their program that are useful and different from the competition?

 

I certainly imagine there are. Like I said they chaps seem perfectly nice, intelligent, and with good Chinese. But i have zero appetite to wonder about the aspects of their programme, whilst it has such an offensive name.

 

Fundamentally, we shouldn't be misleading the other users on here, that programmes like this are appropriately named.

 

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I just realised this fellow forumer, has already written what I intended (and in a much better manner!). Three cheers for DJL

 

On 3/22/2019 at 3:18 AM, DavyJonesLocker said:

I think having seen all the discussion here it really boils done to "if you're curious, give it a try and see what happens". Ignore what's written on the tin and don't convince yourself you have found the gold at the end of the rainbow.  Disliking the market claim doesn't equate to the method not being beneficial. 

One could try it for a few months, see how you get on and you will be in a better position to decided if worth continuing.

 

Realistically one method can works well for certain periods of time depending on your Chinese level and your learning style. When you advance it's often beneficial to favour another method. 

 

 

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imron
14 hours ago, 杰.克 said:

whilst it has such an offensive name.

While I have not used the service, I don't see anything offensive about the name.  For a service that provides a structured guide on how to study the name seems quite suitable.  It's not claiming to be the only blueprint, just a blueprint that you can follow.

 

They have other marketing claims that I take issue with, and the guarantee appears to only be if you're not satisfied with the product/service within 30 days, but personally, I think the name itself is quite good.

 

As mentioned in your other thread, I agree that the most important factor in learning Chinese is the student putting in the time and effort.

 

16 hours ago, Jan Finster said:

Has anyone joined their premium courses?

No, but they have a 30 day money back guarantee, so if you're feeling adventurous you could always try it and see what it's like, and then come back and provide feedback :mrgreen:

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Jan Finster
4 hours ago, imron said:

No, but they have a 30 day money back guarantee, so if you're feeling adventurous you could always try it and see what it's like, and then come back and provide feedback

 

This would make me biased. Since I definitely do not want to spend that money at the moment (I am already doing Lingq and Chinesepod ATM), I am almost forced to write a bad review in order to justify bailing out. 😆

 

@Phil: If however, they would grant some Chinese-forums.com users free premium access for a year, I would be happy to use their service and make the most of it. I would then write a very thorough and honest review. 😁

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