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Shelley

The Textbook debate

Textbooks - Yes? No?  

23 members have voted

  1. 1. Textbooks?

    • Textbooks - Useful?
      6
    • Textbooks - Useful up to a point?
      17
    • Textbooks - Not useful at all?
      0


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mackie1402

I think the question is more of who prefers using textbooks entirely, who likes to mix up textbooks with other materials, and who prefers to use materials other than textbooks. I'm not sure anyone would say textbooks aren't useful, but perhaps would find other learning methods more suitable for their needs.

 

Personally I like to use multiple textbooks at the same time. I get to see the same words and phrases in a different context, and see how grammar is used in different situations. Helps me review and brush up on what I've already learnt. 

 

Nowadays I've moved onto Business Chinese textbooks which has opened a whole new world when it comes to vocabulary. That and some Princeton Chinese books for casual reading.

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Shelley

I asked this question because of the discussion in the other topic, where it did seem like a yes/no question of textbooks being used at all was being asked.

 

Personally I advocate textbooks for beginners without a doubt, after then it depends on so many things, why and where you are learning, what you intend to do with the language and what your first language is. I have kept up the textbooks as a backbone to my learning  with as many other things added to round out my learning.

 

It is a Big question so I thought a simple poll with the option for people to leave comments to clarify, expound or otherwise add to their vote would a least get an overall picture of the general consensus.

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Wurstmann

I don't like textbooks because they waste a lot of time with speaking-, grammar- and other exercises. And that's not how we acquire language.

 

Here in Germany students have around 9 years of English classes, 5 days a week. The only ones who get really good are those who spend a lot of time watching movies or on the English part of the internet outside of class. I think it would be more effective for the teachers to show a movie every day and tell their students to go watch Youtube at home. But in that case they wouldn't be able to administer tests to grade the students... 

 

If I were to start learning Chinese now, I would just read through the grammar wiki and Anki the example sentences. All why listening to lots of Chinese every day. 

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Shelley

@Wurstmann so would you actually vote option 3? I mean do you really think they are useless?

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Tomsima

This topic is a slow burner; I'd be interested to hear Wurstmanns opinions in a few years time - not suggesting that you're wrong, on the contrary I'd be really interested in hearing how effective your study approach stays the same/develops over time

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On 4/12/2019 at 1:12 AM, Shelley said:

 

I asked this question because of the discussion in the other topic, where it did seem like a yes/no question of textbooks being used at all was being asked

 

 

The discussion in the other thread came up when I suggested that someone with an advanced intermediate level should put the textbooks away and start focusing on native material. Those who disagreed said that textbooks were better. I don’t remember anyone saying that textbooks should never be used (and nor did anyone say that one should only use textbooks).

 

It’s unlikely that anyone would actually argue that textbooks are completely useless. The argument is usually that they are not as good as native materials, and the exercises in many of them are actively harmful in that they in effect get you to practice making mistakes.

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Wurstmann
11 hours ago, Tomsima said:

This topic is a slow burner; I'd be interested to hear Wurstmanns opinions in a few years time - not suggesting that you're wrong, on the contrary I'd be really interested in hearing how effective your study approach stays the same/develops over time

 

I won't be able to do that for Chinese unfortunately. I studied some Chinese in university, so I have used Integrated Chinese Level 1 Part 1 + 2 before 😉

I want to learn either French or Spanish. I won't be using any textbooks. When I've decided on a language I will let you know how it goes.

 

On 2019/4/11 at 8:01 PM, Shelley said:

so would you actually vote option 3? I mean do you really think they are useless?

I voted 2. You can use them for grammar explanations and the example sentences in the beginning.

 

I don't know if something like this exists for Chinese. That would be ideal. Those books have their sentences in an i + 1 order.

Edit: Now that I think about it this Anki deck is exactly what I'm looking for. If I were starting now, I would just do that.

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ChTTay
7 hours ago, Wurstmann said:

Now that I think about it this Anki deck is exactly what I'm looking for. I

 

Has anyone used Spoonfed Chinese?

 

I'm trying to start studying again and it looks like it could be good if it’s not just a beginning deck. They claim 3-5 years worthy of sentences. 

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Publius

I have the Spoonfed deck. 8142 sentences. Some of the later ones are definitely not beginner level:

锄强扶弱,惩恶扬善。

火灾过后,只剩下颓垣断壁。

他曾是一代枭雄。

If you can use 一代枭雄 in conversation, I'll put you firmly at HSK6+ :mrgreen:

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Wurstmann

Yeah, it starts with 你好!and ends with 彼得是一个利他主义的游戏玩家,他会把东西给需要的人,而不是为一己之私利出售。

You probably won't even have to do the whole deck before transitioning to native materials.

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haveheart
On 4/14/2019 at 2:18 AM, ChTTay said:

Has anyone used Spoonfed Chinese?

I've been using Spoonfed Chinese mostly consistently for a month or so now. Since I'm not a total beginner (1700 characters known ish) i ended up using Anki's browser to skim over cards in the deck until I reached words that were mostly unfamiliar. I suspended 2287 and have 334 mature,  187 young, and 5000 unseen so far. It's been a good supplement to studying cards I found in reading (in Pleco's srs) and watching Chinese tv. My listening is my weakest point so I've been looking away from Anki, listening to the card's audio, repeating it, then looking and if I understood it and know the characters then I pass the card. It's not perfect (found a couple typos so far and mismatched audio), but its way better than what I had when I started learning. Like WurstMann says, I'm hoping to use this as almost a crutch for a few thousand cards before leaning more on native material. 


I'd be interested in hearing other people's experiences with that deck too! :) 

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Flickserve

Books do have their merits. Probably needed more heavily, lightly or not at all at different times during the learning process.

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