DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 08:51 AM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 08:51 AM I was going to use up my mushy bananas and bake a banana and walnut loaf however I notice western receipies often include Baking powder , bicarbonate of soda, buttermilk. Are these easy to get it China? To tell the truth I don't know what they are in English either but simple to buy in a supermarket over there Digging through my cupboard I found these. looks like 小苏打 is baking soda. Is that the same as baking powder ? Other two are yeast I suppose? Also two other questions, 1. buttermilk , ordinary milk OK 2. Self raising flour, what's the Chinese equivalent? All seems to be jiaozi, baozi this kind of thing . I have "plain flour" though My baking skill is almost non existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:20 AM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:20 AM 1 hour ago, DavyJonesLocker said: ...Baking powder , bicarbonate of soda, buttermilk. Are these easy to get it China? Baking powder is easy to find. It's 泡打粉。Average Chinese use it a lot. I've bought bicarbonate of soda at Walmart and Carrefour. It's usually 苏打粉。 Looks like you already have that on hand (小打分 is the same thing.) No buttermilk here. I think I recall reading tips about how to make buttermilk from whole milk and white vinegar. I have not done it myself. It would be better if you Googled it. Wouldn't want to mislead you. Looks like you have two kinds of yeast. Quote Digging through my cupboard I found these. looks like 小苏打 is baking soda. Is that the same as baking powder ? No, definitely not. Baking soda is completely different from baking powder. Cannot substitute one for the other, at least without making adjustments. I'm not a baker. Can't help you with the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:41 AM Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:41 AM Cool, you helped me already! I was going to dump in 小苏打 in. Glad I read your post first ! Will have a look for 泡打粉 instead . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:53 AM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 09:53 AM Good! I recused myself as not being a baker, but back when I lived in the US, ten or fifteen years ago, I dabbled in it. One of the things I enjoyed making was banana bread. Great way to use up over-ripe bananas. Lots of recipes for banana bread call for baking soda instead of baking powder. So you might already have what you need. Here's one example: https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/banana_bread/ Add: Butter is easy to find here in supermarkets. It's 黄油。 ------------------------------- I just came across this, might be of interest (about the difference between baking powder and baking soda.) https://www.simplyrecipes.com/the_difference_between_baking_soda_and_baking_powder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Excellent I'll just use that recipie today . I presume all purpose flour is just plain flour. ? I also have vanilla extract I always like banana bread but it's too tempting to just stuff your face so I avoid cakes haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
889 Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM Most WalMarts in China seem to stock a banana bread/cake in the bakery department which isn't bad, especially the second day when it's dried out a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:29 AM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:29 AM 28 minutes ago, DavyJonesLocker said: I presume all purpose flour is just plain flour. ? My all purpose flour looks like this. The key is the "多用“。 The fine print says it's good for making dumplings 水饺，noodles 面条，won ton 馄饨，steamed buns 馒头，huajuan 花卷，stuffed buns 包子 and so on. It doesn't mention bread making uses, but that might just be cultural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:38 AM Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 10:38 AM Cheers all, another feather in the cap if I can bake a cake as I never really like Chinese style cakes. Western style muffins seem way too expensive if any way good. 49kuai for 4 in Sam's near me and average at best .Nearest Carrefour is 10km from me unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 01:33 PM OK managed to buy it in the local supermarket. Should really browse around it more as lots of products are also labelled in English now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChTTay Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:00 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 02:00 PM Problem solved! But if you're in Beijing (right?) all this stuff is available in Jenny Lou’s, April Gourmet or Jenny Wang’s. Any other import type place has it. Apart from that, as you’ve found out, Chinese supermarkets sometimes have them as well. Self raising flour isn’t something that’s readily available in China from what I’ve found. Sometimes import places have it but you can mostly find alternative recipes without it. My girlfriend bakes. You can usually get away without buttermilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 12, 2019 at 03:34 PM Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 03:34 PM 1 hour ago, ChTTay said: Self raising flour isn’t something that’s readily available in China from what I’ve found. Sometimes import places have it but you can mostly find alternative recipes without it. i notice both supermarkets have cake flour and bread flour so I hazard a guess that the cake flour might have some self raising ingredients As you and @abcdefg mentioned , there are lots of different recipes online so finding the ingredients isn't really an issue it appears . Mind you butter isn't cheap here Might have to increase the running from tomorrow if my cake experimentation turns out to be a success ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:33 PM Report Share Posted May 12, 2019 at 04:33 PM I have never used buttermilk, baking soda, baking powder, bicarbonate. For a good sponge cake - 1 pound self raising flour 1 pound butter 1 pound sugar 4 large eggs Cream butter and sugar, add eggs, mix, add flour ( you could add bananas here if you want) mix well grease baking tin, pour in, bake till done 30-40 minutes approx. after 20 min. use the clean knife test and keep checking till knife comes clean. Ice/frost and /or fill with your choices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
大块头 Posted May 13, 2019 at 03:31 AM Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 at 03:31 AM @DavyJonesLocker post pictures of the finished product if you succeed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yadang Posted May 13, 2019 at 06:55 AM Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 at 06:55 AM 15 hours ago, DavyJonesLocker said: i notice both supermarkets have cake flour and bread flour so I hazard a guess that the cake flour might have some self raising ingredients I don't think cake flour is self-rising. It's just milled super fine and has lower protein (gluten) content. See here. As mentioned in the link abcdefg posted, baking powder = baking soda + acid. Seeing as buttermilk is acidic, if the recipe you're using calls for baking soda and buttermilk, I wouldn't just substitute normal milk for the buttermilk as it might not rise (fully). But, again as abcdefg mentioned, google "buttermilk substitute" and you'll see plenty of easy options. They all seem to be combining milk with something acidic (lemon juice, vinegar, yogurt, cream of tartar, etc.)—which makes sense because that's what you'll need if using baking soda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 13, 2019 at 06:55 AM Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 at 06:55 AM 5 hours ago, 大块头 said: @DavyJonesLocker post pictures of the finished product if you succeed! Yes, please. I assume you have an oven. Is it a built-in appliance or a free-standing counter-top model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 13, 2019 at 07:04 AM Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 at 07:04 AM will do guys, planning to do it today as soon as I get time, was too late last night and bananas are nearly black. 6 minutes ago, abcdefg said: I assume you have an oven. Is it a built-in appliance or a free-standing counter-top model. I bought a real cheap counter top oven for 190kuai nearly 5 years ago and its still going strong. I use it almost every day, Can't believe it's still lasting! 7 minutes ago, Yadang said: I don't think cake flour is self-rising. It's just milled super fine and has lower protein (gluten) content. See here. cheers , yeah my knowledge of this is slim and none (and slim just left town ....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:19 AM Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:19 AM Well turned on OK actually. Just mix it up whack it in the oven and Bob's your uncle. I reckon a fan oven would be better but my cheapo oven does the job. I used. BBC Good food website recipie which UK members would be familiar with. I think BBC website is blocked so added it here for clarity. I only used 100g of sugar and left out the milk and 4 small bananas as recommended by the user comments. Probably better recipies around but often I find American style often too sweet for my liking . Ingredients 100g softened butter 140g caster sugar 1 beaten egg 225g plain flour 2 tsp baking powder 4 very ripe bananas 85g chopped walnuts 50ml milk Good part way way cheaper than buying something in a coffee shop. Bad part according to myfitnesspal app the loaf has just under 3k calories That baking tin in the picture was donated by my mother . She bought it before I was born. I'm near 46 ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:31 AM Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:31 AM Way to go! Glad it worked out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:45 AM Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:45 AM 15 minutes ago, abcdefg said: Way to go! Glad it worked out! Although I have a self control problem . Thing will probably be gone by tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:52 AM Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 at 04:52 AM I understand. That's the main reason I never wanted to learn how to make cookies, cakes, and pies. Back in the day, when I lived in a house with a kitchen that included an oven, I baked most of my own bread. Still miss that sometimes, the smell plus the taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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