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suMMit

modern FSI?

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suMMit

If FSI is so good, why doesnt somebody launch an updated, similar system, with updated vocab etc?

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DavyJonesLocker

I'd imagine its because there has been a wealth of chinese learning matrerials developed since FSI, taking advantages of APPS, modern teaching, popularity of the language etc

 

 

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889

The FSI/DeFrancis/Jorden approach is based on intensive drills and repetition, a teaching approach which is no longer fashionable.

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roddy

You mean... a textbook? I'm not sure there's anything particularly unique about FSI, it's just a solid but dated textbook+audio combo, which happens to be available for free. There are plenty of newer textbook+audio options. 

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889

Actually, the FSI/DeFrancis/Jorden approach IS unique when compared with modern texts. New stuff seems thin and lazy, frankly, compared with the rigour of the old books.

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Shelley

Also the DeFrancis series is Traditional characters so is not popular with students of Mainland China learning simplified.

 

I have just flipped through a PDF of FSI and it doesn't use characters at all.

 

I have to say a solid modern textbook along these same lines is New Practical Chinese Reader or Integrated Chinese.

 

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edelweis

FSI has 309 "tapes" of about 20 minutes each.

Which newer textbook has 100+ hours of audio drills ?

 

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Shelley

New Practical Chinese Reader has about 15- 20 minutes of audio and  the about 15 minutes of video for each lesson. 

 

I can't work how many hours that is. 

 

FSI is good for just learning to speak in intensive classroom situation from what I understand.

 

IIRC it is the method used for people going overseas for any number of reasons and need to be able communicate from the start, used by the army and diplomats etc.

 

NPCR works very well for the student who wants to self study and learn to read and write characters as well as speak, listen and understand.

 

Its all about what suits the individual student.

 

 

 

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889

Yes, and the OP here was looking for tbe intense approach.

 

The old books could be updated with modern characters and up-to-date dialogs, like riding the Metro instead of a streetcar. But I don't think the market is there to support it.

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Shelley

i didn't think that was what was meant by the OP's question.

 

Just that if FSI was/is so good why has no one updated/modernised it.

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889

To repeat, appropriately here: fashions come and go in education and the drill-drill-drill repeat-repeat-repeat rote style of those books is passé. Maybe it'll return some day. Who knows.

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suMMit

I guess i meant is FSI that good? and if it is solid and effective, it seems surprising that nobody has published something similar but updated. yes with tons of audio and drill drill drill

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edelweis

Well, probably the FSI language program is still running, so they must have updated material that isn't released into the public domain yet.

It might be possible to get second hand stuff if you have the right contacts.

Unfortunately I don't know any American diplomat...

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