7800 33 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 I'm sorry if this has already been said somewhere, but does anyone have any idea about how the translating part works? I mean, is it only English -> Chinese and vice-versa? There's a ton of people from minor countries learning Chinese, and many don't speak a widely-spoken language. Is the ccp making us learn English first now? 😬 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, hong long said: We will have to wait for November, the first exam after July 1st with the new method Who says there are new-system exams in November? Nothing is published yet AFAIK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikelove 552 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, 大块头 said: I compared the words on that list you generated with the words that I have flashcards for, and I found six OCR errors. I didn't check the PDF for each of the ~50 other words that I don't have flashcards for, but they all appear to be common words with multiple definitions in Pleco. Thanks! Double-checked and merged. With these changes my tally is 76 words that aren't covered either by PLC or by CC. (which is usually our standard - words that are built into our free app) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 OK just plucking out the writing section from Level 3 (p.4) and doing a lazy WeChat translation... (click images to enlarge): So, not only testing handwriting but even stroke order! How on earth will they test that? If they make handwriting mandatory then the computer-based exams will be out of the window... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roddy 5,552 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Stroke order could actually be done multiple choice easily enough. But putting handwriting in, at a low level... not keen, and I think it would have been wiser to split that off into a different stream (perhaps like the HSKK exams for speaking have been?). Theoretically, they could at least equip test centers with graphics tablets, but... that tech is even less familiar than the pen. It's perhaps still possible that the copying bit is handwritten, and the 200 character writing task could be on the computer. Who knows? Or maybe they fudge it, and if you pass a multiple choice stroke order question they say "there, you must be able to handwrite." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
realmayo 1,910 Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 Rather distressed to see that 手榴弹 has not returned as a vocabulary list item. Missed opportunity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roddy 5,552 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Saving it for HSK 4, I assume. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
realmayo 1,910 Posted April 5 Author Report Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, mungouk said: How on earth will they test that? Maybe give you a few characters with lots of boxes next to them and get you to write out a given character, e.g. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roddy 5,552 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 So there's actually (5.8) a specific list of characters for handwriting? 300 / 400 / 500 across three levels. Which is a lot less than the 汉字表, which at least implies you aren't expected to be able to write ALL the vocab you know, and so presumably there's a computer option for the composition bits? Actually, a useful task for those of you having fun with these lists - make up sets of the *words* (cumulative) you should be able to write with the *handwriting* characters at each level. That'll make writing practice more fun. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Having those lists in a form that can be loaded into Tofulearn or Skritter would be particularly handy for writing practice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roddy 5,552 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 What they should actually have (and maybe they do, because I'm not reading the whole thing), is some kind of 'character knowledge' - stroke order, radicals, components, an awareness of simplified<>traditional issues. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hong long 5 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 I think you already saw this, but I put for general information https://www.everydaychinese.com/youtube-lessons/new-hsk-standard.html?fbclid=IwAR3tlNgej68kntQihKwu90Ei6Nc1DOap0XAVFYpgfF74XR_a7uzxyCliDvw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, hong long said: I think you already saw this, but I put for general information https://www.everydaychinese.com/youtube-lessons/new-hsk-standard.html?fbclid=IwAR3tlNgej68kntQihKwu90Ei6Nc1DOap0XAVFYpgfF74XR_a7uzxyCliDvw Yes, and they already uploaded a PDF of @mikelove's word list on there featuring their own branding... presumably before the MIT license was added. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hong long 5 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Can you confirm that the words to be learned are all different, not as before that the first level was inside the second and the second in the third? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 @honglong no, they build up in the same way. This is what the numbers in the table show: new words / total words Quote Link to post Share on other sites
大块头 511 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 36 minutes ago, mungouk said: featuring their own branding. As well as OCR errors that we've since fixed! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawky.nasr 31 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 I removed pdf watermark, for who like using official file to print it. Download pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungouk 1,165 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 19 minutes ago, 大块头 said: As well as OCR errors that we've since fixed! Maybe time to add a few mountweazels for a laugh? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
大块头 511 Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 Well if they fix those errors we know they're reading this thread. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imron 5,291 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 On 4/1/2021 at 7:28 PM, mungouk said: Is there any software that can measure, and then help you to improve, your reading speed? Fun fact: This was what CTA was originally going to be, and maybe one day still will be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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