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kingwithin

how does it compare to writing practice regarding character/pronunciation association? I find that one of my major drawbacks with typing mandarin is having to spell it out in romanized characters and always associating the sound itself with the pinyin rather than the character

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Tomsima

are you a heritage learner? what sort of stage in your learning are you at? I can only speak from a native English speakers point of view, but learning a pronounciation based input method came very naturally to me, whereas cangjie I have had to consciously learn it with sustained effort (although this would be true of a native speaker to some extent)

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kingwithin

Australian, native language is english, I'm currently self studying mandarin at a fairly low level, hoping to improve considerably by the time borders open up again

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Tomsima

In that case I would presume you'll see fairly rapid progress as you get more familiar with pinyin. But if you feel more confident writing with characters from an early stage thats also great!

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Yadang
On 6/27/2020 at 11:58 AM, Tomsima said:

I should emphasise, I decided to use this keyboard specifically for the purposes of character retention. If I wanted raw speed I would just use blank keycaps and rely on muscle memory. This keyboard has had a massive effect on how Cangjie has helped with remembering character writing

 

I'm curious whether you think it would be beneficial for one to use Cangjie if their end goal is reading but not writing. Would it help with character recognition? Is it possible to use Cangjie without fully knowing how to write the character you're trying to type? 

Really, what I'm getting at, is that I don't care about writing (by hand), but do care about reading, but have some problems with character recognition for some characters. I'm wondering if typing in Cangjie would force me to be a bit more mindful of the characters (clearing up some of the problems with character recognition), without requiring me to learn to write all of the characters (which would be a more extreme way to clear up my problems with some characters). Any thoughts?

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imron
19 hours ago, kingwithin said:

Australian, native language is english, I'm currently self studying mandarin at a fairly low level,

My experience with Wubi (similar to CangJie in that it's based on shapes rather than sounds) is that using a shape based method will not be very effective unless you already know over a thousand characters, and preferably over 2,000.  If you don't know enough characters it will be much more difficult to build up proficiency in the input method.

 

8 hours ago, Yadang said:

I'm wondering if typing in Cangjie would force me to be a bit more mindful of the characters

Once again speaking of my experience with Wubi, I believe it will.

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Tomsima
On 7/29/2020 at 4:44 PM, Yadang said:

I'm curious whether you think it would be beneficial for one to use Cangjie if their end goal is reading but not writing.

 

I mainly use cangjie to type out new words and phrases from my daily reading. When I come across a new word or interesting turn of phrase, I will make an anki card with an input field for Chinese. I find this really helps me to distinguish lesser seen characters far better.

 

I agree with Imron. I had a base of probably 4000 or so characters I could already read and write by hand before starting, so it would be fairly fruitless for me to speculate on how useful shape-based typing systems are for learning characters without knowing how to write by hand. However, at the very least, I can confirm that using cangjie makes my brain pay greater attention to the contents of each character  

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I cannot agree more to the point of improving characters retention.My goal exactly. I am still struggling with many characters. Like why a frequent character as  

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