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On 7/2/2022 at 3:35 PM, suMMit said:

I don't really want  grammar explanations. If it's a bit and in Chinese, that's OK. Mostly I just want to practice speaking, using the things I've learned lately. Something that gets me talking and a bit of correction. Grammar points I feel are easier just to read on my own for free. 

 

To be fair then you do not really need a Chinese teacher, but just someone happy to chat (e.g. tandem partner).

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One thing I will say - the quality of tutor on Preply seems very hit or miss. 

Met with one for the first time in almost a year a few days ago, and while there initially prepared materials, it quickly devolved into conversation and "I think you don't need materials, let's just chat". I, perhaps foolishly, bought 5 more weeks of lessons, so we'll see if it improves. The the LTL staff actually have education backgrounds, that would be a good start. 

 

 

 

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On 7/3/2022 at 12:33 AM, Jan Finster said:

To be fair then you do not really need a Chinese teacher, but just someone happy to chat (e.g. tandem partner).

Well thats incorrect imo. I never said I wanted a "chat". I follow a textbook, but I don't need the teacher to "explain" what is already explained in the textbook. A good language teacher(for speaking at least) imo does not lecture you on grammar. A good language teacher facilitates you to USE certain grammar/vocab or whatever you're working on while speaking. They point out some things you can improve, encourage you and put you in spots where you need to use the language. I guess for language, I want a teacher who's more like a coach. But hey, I'm sure there are many who like a good grammar lecture. And personally, at an intermediate level, I refuse to pay a native Chinese speaker to speak English with me, simple as that.

 

A teacher telling you to read a dialog out loud and then translating key words into English for you(sometimes wrongly or not entirely correctly), and then explaining the grammar point to you in English... That is not my idea of a good language lesson. 

 

**Edit to say my opinion is related only to taking lessons to improve speaking skills and pronunciation. I don't hire a teacher to learn characters, reading, writing(other than homework), vocabulary, or extended grammar lectures. I find it better to work on these aspects on my own.

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On 7/3/2022 at 12:49 AM, PerpetualChange said:

One thing I will say - the quality of tutor on Preply seems very hit or miss. 

In my personal opinion, 95% of Chinese teachers(on any platform) I've had lessons with suck. 99% of them are friendly and nice, but they do not know how to facilitate language learning. And most of them put in very little/no time into preparing anything for a lesson.

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On 7/2/2022 at 11:52 AM, suMMit said:

A good language teacher facilitates you to USE certain grammar/vocab or whatever you're working on while speaking. They point out some things you can improve, encourage you and put you in spots where you need to use the language. I guess for language, I want a teacher who's more like a coach.

 

I'm in this camp and have been for a long time. 

 

Tennis coach will soon discover my backhand is weak when I have to run cross court to reach the ball even though it's solid when I'm standing more or less still. So guess what he or she does to help me improve that weakness? Sets up multiple situations in which I am forced to work through those shots that are not strong for me. Obvious ones first, then subtle ones. Progressive levels of difficulty. Drills them until they become second nature for me and the weakness is gradually improved, eventually corrected. 

 

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99% of them are friendly and nice, but they do not know how to facilitate language learning.

 

I'm willing to pay a pro who knows how to set up situations that facilitate the learning process. Over the years, I've  become less tolerant of bumbling, if well-intentioned, attempts. 

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If things aren't moving at a good pace by the second lesson it's time to pull the plug.@suMMit that's a great observation and I really need to take it into advisement to be less of a softy. I let a very nice tutor give disappoiting lessons for months before I finally pulled the plug. Going forward I think I will institute a 2 strikes rule. Because the first lesson is always more about getting to know you and appraisal. If things aren't moving at a good clip by the second lesson then it's time to pull the plug. 

 

At least preply let you transfer credits, not sure about the other platforms.

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