icebear Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM (edited) Resources (Links) [see General Advice in post #2] Listings 安居客 [CHINESE] 我爱我家 [CHINESE] 赶集 [Chinese] 58.com [CHINESE] HOZE (CBD focused, higher end, search by complex/map) The Beijinger City Weekend Maps Google Maps Baidu Ditu Public Transit Information 北京公共交通集团 (bus routes by location and destination) ExploreBeijing (interactive metro map) Forum Posts Your Accommodation in China Edited June 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM by icebear 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post icebear Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM Author Popular Post Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM General Advice [see Resources/Links in post #1 and what this thread is about in post #3] Where Beijing is a big city notorious for its congestion. You'd be well advised to try your best to live somewhere reasonably close to your place of work or study. More than a handful of bus stops can easily take half an hour during rush hours. Try to find a place within a couple kilometers and you'll then have the option of walking on the more pleasant fall and spring days, or alternatively biking if it isn't raining. Near a subway stop is great, but I'd say not to compromise too much on distance from your daily destination in favor of a subway stop and living further away - similar to too many bus stops, having to take the subway for too long each day can become a serious grind, no matter what time of day it is. Prices This post can't possibly cover all the neighborhoods of Beijing, but a range can be provided to at least help form expectations on the most popular areas. I've given the ranges below based on those with the most listings from the AnJuKe website - one should keep in mind that typically the range below also has significant listings (i.e. there are plenty in CBD for 3000-5000 also, but the most fall in the 5000-8000); thus these ranges shouldn't be seen as average rents paid but rather the range with the most options. I've only done listings for full 1 bedroom apartments, which should give a general idea on other costs for the area (sublet room < studio < 1 bedroom apartment < …). The Beijinger is loading slow as molasses for me at the moment - I may add sublet ranges for these areas if the website starts loading for me more quickly later. 1 bedroom apartments (updated 13 May 2012) [from http://beijing.anjuke.com/rental/] Chaoyang CBD 5000-8000 RMB Haidian Wudakou 3000-5000 RMB Dongcheng 3000-5000 RMB Dongcheng Dongzhimen 5000-8000 RMB Xicheng 3000-5000 RMB Finding an apartment The websites above can be helpful in getting an idea of what is available where, and might even lead to a good apartment, although my observation is that usually the best apartments are found by going in person to the desired area/小区 and inquiring directly with the local agent or landlords. Those interested in mid- to high-scale apartments in the CBD might find the following strategy helpful: using the HOZE map of complexes in the CBD determine a few which are close to your desired location (i.e. near work). Find the Chinese counterpart on this page. Then use that search term in one of the Chinese listing sites and you'll see the rents drop. (E.g. searching Anjuke for 泰悦豪庭 instead of HOZE for Taiyue Heights yields similar size/quality 1 bedrooms for around 5500-6000 instead of 8000). Agents Many ads placed online are typically by agents. They can be helpful in reducing the amount of leg work you have to do, but typically will have a fee equal to one month, paid by either the tenant or landlord, and sometimes negotiable. You should clarify this when responding to online ads; if you're trying to search online you'll find that a large number of postings at the above websites are actually posts from agencies such as 我爱我家 or 21世纪 - which may be an indication that you might be better off just going directly to the area desired and inquiring at those offices rather than muddling through all their webpages. Utilities Frequently building management fees and heating are included in rent; electricity, internet, etc frequently are not. Again, be clear about this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM I move back to Beijing in July and have started casually browsing listings to get a better idea of what to expect (and fantasize about the move!). I certainly don't expect to find anything worthwhile this early or from this distance, but I thought it might be helpful to gather resources and advice in a single thread, given that my searches on this forum have shown a lot of information, some very dated, and all scattered about various posts. The primary value will be in links that consistently are provided to new forum members (see first post), as well as some general advice (second post). Discussion and suggestions concerning these points in the rest of the thread would be great, and I'll try to update those first two posts periodically to reflect any major changes in the market or consensus opinions from forum members. I'd also like to solicit advice on one type of website I haven't found yet - one which lists the 小区 in Beijing in a way that is easy to associate with an area of town (i.e. a adress, nearby public transportation stop, intersection, etc). I'm trying to get an idea of the places I should be going in person once in Beijing (and prices I should expect by area) that are within a reasonable walking distance from where I'll be working. The obvious solution is to just wait until I'm there and wander around myself; until then, I was hoping (expecting) there is some website that makes gathering this information easy (which I can then use in the search field on the real estate websites). Perhaps Baidu Ditu does - it also is loading incredibly slowly for me tonight so I can't confirm this yet (but Google Maps definitely doesn't). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludens Posted May 13, 2012 at 04:35 PM Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 04:35 PM As I'm in the same situation, I can add http://bj.58.com/zufang/ to the links section. When browsing these ads, I often find it hard to be sure if they are advertising a room in a shared apartment, or a complete apartment/studio. This is probably due to my Chinese skills, but any pointers on this would be welcome. Another question: does anybody have experience with finding an apartment through these kind of websites? Any tips on what to look for in ads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted May 13, 2012 at 05:29 PM Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 05:29 PM Ludens, thanks for that link. A nice feature of 58.com that I just noticed is they allow you to search according to nearest bus/subway station (i.e. select a line and then a stop); while not exactly what I was looking for above, it helps a lot since I think most foreigners in Beijing are more familiar with the nearest public transport than all the names of the various 小区 and 胡同. Regarding shared apartments versus renting the entire one, at least on AnJuKe there is a data field called 租赁方式 (rental method) which has either 整租 (entire-renting) or 合租 (co-renting). Similarly on 58.com there is an option below the neighborhoods and prices that is 方式 (method) where you can select 整套出租 (full rent), 单间出租 (single room rental) or 床位 (single bed - i.e. multiple beds per room). I haven't browsed 58.com as heavily so I'm not completely certain about the later two, but the first should get you entire apartment listings. My past apartment hunts have been through friends or The Beijinger; TBJ will get the job done but you definitely are just seeing a subset of what is available, and in general paying a slight premium for English listings (I think). In my 2nd hand experience, friends with the best accommodation (conditions and prices) tend to have used Chinese listings, or gone directly to a desired neighborhood and inquired with local agents or landlords. If that's out of one's grasp (Chinese wise) they probably are better off asking a Chinese friend to help or sticking with expat listings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludens Posted May 13, 2012 at 07:11 PM Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 07:11 PM Thanks Icebear for the reply. I did notice the 整套 and 整租 filters, but when using them in combination with a price range filter of 500-1000元 on inner-city districts there are still so many results that it makes me wonder how reliable this data is. If there are so many cheap apartments in that price range, why would people go for 3000块 apartments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted May 13, 2012 at 07:23 PM Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 07:23 PM Good work, Icebear If you want to provide some links to stuff you're seeing that looks suspiciously good, someone can probably tell you what the catch is. But with all property websites, you need to be aware that the listings are often dubious - it's all agencies flooding the sites in the hope of getting people in the door, at which point they'll start worrying about what apartments they actually have available. Even the ones listed in the agency windows are often theoretical - I once asked about one suitable looking place and the agent told me it was gone. I asked him if he shouldn't take the notice down from the window. He said he would later. I looked pointedly at him. He took it down and put it, very carefully, unfolded, on top of the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted May 13, 2012 at 08:27 PM Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 at 08:27 PM I did notice the 整套 and 整租 filters, but when using them in combination with a price range filter of 500-1000元 on inner-city districts there are still so many results that it makes me wonder how reliable this data is. If there are so many cheap apartments in that price range, why would people go for 3000块 apartments? All of the sub 1000 ones I'm seeing in the area of Chaoyang I'm interested in are either basement (地下) units or around 10-15 m2... in which case the price differential is probably fair. Provide a few links and maybe we can make some sense of them. As roddy said, they all need to be read with a grain of salt - plenty of the midrange prices show extremely luxurious apartments, which I just dismiss as bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted June 3, 2012 at 09:07 PM Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 at 09:07 PM Added 1 new link in the first post, and the corresponding advice in the second. If anyone has advice specific to certain parts of the city I will edit in there as well. Those interested in mid- to high-scale apartments in the CBD might find the following strategy helpful: using theHOZE map of complexes in the CBD determine a few which are close to your desired location (i.e. near work). Find the Chinese counterpart on this page. Then use that search term in one of the Chinese listing sites and you'll see the rents drop. (E.g. searching Anjuke for 泰悦豪庭 instead of HOZE for Taiyue Heights yields similar size/quality 1 bedrooms for around 5500-6000 instead of 8000). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM Added the 赶集 link and revised the text about agents to reflect the what I've noticed at most web listings as follows: Many ads placed online are typically by agents. They can be helpful in reducing the amount of leg work you have to do, but typically will have a fee equal to one month, paid by either the tenant or landlord, and sometimes negotiable. You should clarify this when responding to online ads; if you're trying to search online you'll find that a large number of postings at the above websites are actually posts from agencies such as 我爱我家 or 21世纪 - which may be an indication that you might be better off just going directly to the area desired and inquiring at those offices rather than muddling through all their webpages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM Regarding agencies - is anyone aware of the current standard fee for using an agent? I've seen some posts that said if you pay more than 3000 RMB per month the fee is generally waived (or born entirely by the landlord), and even had the impression this might be the law. Any truth to that? What about for lower value leases? I'd like to add this information above but as I've not dealt with agents before was hoping someone could back this up. I'm not a huge fan of agencies anywhere but it seems the overwhelming majority of online posts are actually by agents, and breaking the 3000 threshold isn't too hard if one is looking for a decent place within the 3rd ring. If that's the case they take a lot of the leg work out for essentially no fee to the tenant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM Personally I wouldn't bother using online ads as anything other than a general indication of what sort of apartment might be available in any given area, and responding to an ad and expecting to see that particular apartment is likely a waste of time. What can be useful is the apartment complex pages on the portals and property sites - eg, here's the page for a place all BNU students will know, Kingdom Gardens. The 户型图 show you the layouts and with a bit of work you can figure out which ones face in which direction, etc. (although they seem to be missing some,as I know KG has one bedroom places not shown there). Pinned this topic. Edit: on agency fees. Not sure if there are actual rules, doubt they're applied anyway. The trouble is that the agencies get massive pushback from the landlords on this. Second last place I rented both myself and the landlord had said right from the start to the agency that we weren't paying any fees - the landlord ended up paying quite a reduced sum, with the agency keeping it off the books and not handing over any receipt. One thing to note on fees - I've said this before, but never mind: If you think you might rent a place for more than a year, it may make more sense to pay the fee and keep the rent low. You only pay the fee once, increased rent will continue for the period of the tenancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogo Posted June 7, 2012 at 05:03 PM Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 at 05:03 PM @ roddy, o,o So, the one pay the agent fees is you or the landlord? I am just curious because i heard from few agencies that they still taking agent fees which is the same with the room price, in the case of finding single room. I am not sure for 1 unit apartment. Do u guys have any recommendation for good agency in wudaokou ? Tks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted June 15, 2012 at 08:09 PM Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 at 08:09 PM @Bogo Your best bet is probably wandering around your target neighborhood and asking agents in that area. Generally seems to be that case that agency fees are between one month and zero, depending on persistent/agressive you are in your negotiations. Do keep in mind that someone will pay that fee if you are using a agent's services, and if it isn't you it may be the case that the landlord just distributes that fee into your monthly rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludens Posted June 24, 2012 at 08:15 PM Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 at 08:15 PM I was just browsing through some listings, and wanted to share this link for two reasons. First, an apartment like the one on the photos on that location for that price isn't going to happen, right? Or am I missing something? There are lot's of similar ads like this one. Second, I really like the last picture. http://bj.58.com/zuf...58314759x.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoz Posted July 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM First of all, thanks very much for the info in this thread - very helpful! I'm looking at renting a room in Chaoyang from the beginning of August and have been browsing online to see what kind of options are available. I keep coming across ads like this: http://bj.ganji.com/fang3/tuiguang-2527604.htm and am wondering whether or not they are trustworthy/realistic? I don't have any experience of renting in Beijing, and don't really have much time to find somewhere once I've arrived, so any advice would be appreciated! Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted July 1, 2012 at 03:39 PM Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 at 03:39 PM @manoz that ad is to sublet a 13m2 room out of the four available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoz Posted July 2, 2012 at 07:42 PM Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 at 07:42 PM I noticed I put 'apartment' instead of 'room' in my post! I am in fact looking to sublet a room, sharing with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebear Posted July 3, 2012 at 07:18 AM Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 at 07:18 AM In that case I think the ad is believable. Sublet rates should be around 1500-3000 depending on quality and location. That one isn't particularly central so on the more affordable side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoz Posted July 3, 2012 at 06:05 PM Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 at 06:05 PM Brilliant. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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