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Problems at Kaien language school


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#1 chrix

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 07:19 PM

Blog post from Chinesepod: http://blog.chinesep.../clarification/

Questions: what kind of school is Kaien language school anyways, and what kind of problems are they having?

I found a bit of info after googling, but if this school is/was important, it might be beneficial to discuss it here.

http://finance.sina....027117738.shtml
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 07:33 PM

I have no details about this at all, but it's not surprising since the competition between English schools in Shanghai is very fierce. I've seen scuffles break out on the street between people trying to promote their respective schools.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 09:43 PM

Kai'en was founded by Ken Carroll, who also founded Chinesepod - hence if Kaien's gone south I guess people might be asking if there's any consequences for Chinesepod, hence the post from them saying 'no'.

If anyone's interested they could check eslcafe.com and similar sites - no doubt there are some teachers telling all (that they know).
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:27 PM

More information here and here. Quite the story.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:35 PM

Thank you, roddy and Daan.

Full disclosure: I write a column on chengyu at the German language community blog of chinesepod, but other than that have no affiliation with them. Was just curious what the hubbub was all about...
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:37 PM

Some threads here:
http://www.shanghaie...-t-102917.phtml
GOD! What happened to KaiEn English? the boss disappear!!

http://forums.eslcaf...216ecd902be1ccd
Kai En (Shanghai) bankruptcy from a teacher's perspective
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#7 chrix

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:42 PM

So what about chinesepod then? It might be true that they are separate business entities, but if the people who disappeared were all in management positions at chinesepod, what's going on there? I mean as an occasional chinesepod user, I know the name Ken Carroll, he's one of the co-founders, as roddy said... In all honesty, the chinesepod blog post doesn't clear up much :conf
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:56 PM

It's probably not intended to, and I guess ChinesePod employees are under strict instructions not to comment on this affair while it's unfolding. And even if they aren't, I know I wouldn't if I wanted to keep my job.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:59 PM

Oh the blog post was by the CEO, not by some employee. I'm not in PR, but if such a crisis was unfolding, I'd think you'd need to address issues like high-profile co-founders/employees being affected and so on.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 11:08 PM

LOL at what's at the top of the list of twitter posts on the blog page. Not sure how long it'll be there for.

Hank's invited further questions in the post - post there, give them a chance to respond directly.
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Posted 17 December 2009 - 11:13 PM

good suggestion roddy, I just posted a comment there.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:46 AM

More about the interconnection between Praxis Language and KaiEn may be found here:

http://career.kaien....=about.founders
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:40 PM

Looks like they did not choose to publish my comment, or it didn't go through due to technical reasons :roll: Anyways a lively discussion is going on there now, with the CEO answering questions by worried users, so that should be fine.

EDIT: Ken Carroll has posted twice on this community thread: http://chinesepod.co...tions/post/6386

Edited by chrix, 18 December 2009 - 08:48 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 12:49 AM

In that same thread, Jenny Zhu also writes that:

When Ken suddenly took off, it was a huge shock for all of us at ChinesePod and Praxis. We had no notice and have limited knowledge of what happened. We are not in a position to speak for Ken.


Curiouser and curiouser.
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Posted 19 December 2009 - 01:06 AM

Seems to confirm that they've left the country to flee from creditors, some of whom might not be on the up and up....

Also fairly clear that ChinesePod is owned by Praxis, and not the people who own or ran the school.
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Posted 20 December 2009 - 03:07 AM

Today is a new day and the media were eager to write new stuff about KaiEn:

Some relief for victims of KaiEn English fiasco as ChinesePod CEO downplays Ken Carroll's role (by the way you can read here: Jenny Zhu is Hank Horkoff's wife??? That's new.)

Stranded staff gets partial pay

And the discussions are going on @ ChinesePod where quite a lot of students have questions, opinions, doubts:

Where is Ken?


Official "Clarification"

Edited by hanyu_xuesheng, 20 December 2009 - 03:21 AM.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 06:30 AM

Interesting article about the collapse of several major English language schools around China.

http://www.danwei.or...eign_bosses.php
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:45 AM

Merged.
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#19 yaritai

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 03:51 AM

think of the karma. What goes around. Comes around
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