Ian_Lee Posted March 3, 2004 at 11:13 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 at 11:13 PM Jin Ping Mei is a by-product of the Water Margin. The first few chapters could be traced to one section in the Water Margin except the ending is different. Undeniably Jin Ping Mei is the most erotic novel with very good literary skill. Some of the sex scenes depicted in the book is really classic. The most famous part is about how Simon Esq punished his concubine Ms Pun after she committed adultery. Simon Esq tied up Ms. Pun and forced on her in the vineyard under broad daylight. Throughout the whole book, there are lots of SM stuffs. So Chinese are actually very sexually liberated 500 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted March 3, 2004 at 11:22 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 at 11:22 PM Simon Esq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted March 4, 2004 at 07:38 AM Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 at 07:38 AM So Chinese are actually very sexually liberated 500 years ago. There would not have been u otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Lee Posted March 5, 2004 at 07:27 PM Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 at 07:27 PM Skylee: Can you find another better translation for 西门 大官人 than Simon Esq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnt Posted March 5, 2004 at 08:47 PM Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 at 08:47 PM I would propose Sir Simon instead of Simon Esq, as Esquire though very formal, is mostly used in letters addressed to any (not necessarily extraordinary) gentleman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Lee Posted March 5, 2004 at 08:56 PM Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 at 08:56 PM Nnt: The term "Sir" is a little bit general. According to this book which depicted event in Song Dynasty, Simon was not only a rich guy but actually served as a kind of laison between the local government and the public. In American term, Simon was a Notary Public and/or served in the Neighborhood Board. I think "Esq" might fit him more judged by his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnt Posted March 5, 2004 at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 at 09:38 PM Nnt:The term "Sir" is a little bit general. In English usage' date=' Sir is also a title used before the first name of a knight, or a baronet (lowest ranks in nobility). For example Sean Connery (an extraordinary gentleman) is also [b']Sir[/b] Sean Connery because he was knighted by the Queen. After all, I think using a plain "Ximen Qing" as a translation is fine. "Esq" adds a humorous tone, which explains Skylee's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted March 5, 2004 at 10:52 PM Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 at 10:52 PM I think using a plain "Ximen Qing" as a translation is fine. "Esq" adds a humorous tone, which explains Skylee's Right. I like "Simon Esq." though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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