shakingcrane Posted September 8, 2004 at 11:37 PM Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 at 11:37 PM Hi can someone please explain to me the usage of dao(4) (到）[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuechengfeng Posted September 9, 2004 at 02:46 AM Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 at 02:46 AM There is a few uses I would say.. The most obvious one to me would be using it in the sense of the word (to). 今年我到日本去了。 I went to Japan this year. or the other way I know how to use it is.. 我們看到第十二課。 We can read up to lesson 12. In this sense you add verb + dao, meaning you can do X (up to) Y. Last way I know is using it in a resultative context for certain verbs.. for example, 看到 - succeed in seeing 看的到 - be able to see 看不到 - be unable to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepokergod Posted September 9, 2004 at 10:16 PM Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 at 10:16 PM Yeah as above says, can also use for time eg: 从五点到六点。。。 From x to y Also can be used to mean "arrive" 飞机到了 Plane has arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weixiaoma Posted September 18, 2004 at 12:04 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 at 12:04 PM 看到 - succeed in seeing 看的到 - be able to see 看不到 - be unable to see A small correction here- be able to see is 看得到, not 看的到 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuechengfeng Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:31 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:31 PM According to DeFrancis book (which was written awhile ago).. In adverbial expressions of manner such as paode kuai 'run fast' the syllable de is traditionally represented by the character 的. Some writers prefer to use instead the character 得. The latter is used with increasingly greater consistency in the PRC. Maybe since the book has been written 得 has become the standard, but it appears 的 can be used in a traditional means? Correct me if me/he is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:37 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:37 PM I didn't know that, only ever seen 得， except when I write 的 and get told it's a mistake. I'll take great pleasure in telling people this is 古代的错误. Roddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:52 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 at 04:52 PM 的地得 are not homonyms in dialects, it's wrong to say 跑的快 in Cantonese. When you are in doubt, try to use the original pronunciations of 的地得 (de5/di5 di4 de2) to double check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claw Posted September 18, 2004 at 06:47 PM Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 at 06:47 PM According to DeFrancis book (which was written awhile ago).. In adverbial expressions of manner such as paode kuai 'run fast' the syllable de is traditionally represented by the character 的. Some writers prefer to use instead the character 得. The latter is used with increasingly greater consistency in the PRC. The DeFrancis book is completely wrong on this. As Quest has said' date=' 的, 地, and 得 are not homonyms in dialects such as Cantonese (pronounced dik, dei, and dak, respectively) and it has never been correct to write 的 for 得. You can usually figure out which one to use by using one of these patterns... they're not hard-and-fast rules, but they apply most of the time (parentheses indicate parts that are optional): used to link a descriptive phrase with a noun: [b']descriptive phrase - 的 - (noun)[/b] used to indicate the result or the potential of a verb: verb - 得 - adjective converts an adjective into a diminutive adverb: duplicated adjective - 地 - (verb) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted September 19, 2004 at 12:44 AM Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 at 12:44 AM That's why I didn't know it then Roddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geraldc Posted September 19, 2004 at 01:01 AM Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 at 01:01 AM I was told by my teacher that using 的 rather than 得 was a Taiwanese thing, of course she could be wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weixiaoma Posted September 19, 2004 at 06:24 PM Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 at 06:24 PM I'm the one who first corrected it in this thread, and I'm in Taiwan. I think some Taiwanese are lazy, and type 的 instead of 得 or 地. But, teachers here say 看的到 is wrong too. It should be 看得到. I think the 的 mistake comes from people who use 注音 (bpmf) input. If you use 倉頡, you'll never make that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heianderen Posted September 20, 2004 at 12:25 PM Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 at 12:25 PM Yong Ho - Chinese-English Frequency Dictionary [18] 到 1. arrive; reach; go: 火车到了站 (the train has arrived at the station) 2. to; up until; up to: 从早到晚 (from morning till night) 从亚洲到欧洲 (from Asia to Europe) 3. used after a verb to indicate a place o time that the action extends to: 寄到中国 (mail to China); 完到时点 (plat till ten o'clock) 4. used after a verb to suggest the succesful accomplishment of an action that involves a certain amount of difficulty and effort, cf. 买了电影票 (bought the movie ticket - no difficulty suggested), 买到了电影票 (succeded in buying the movie ticket - difficulty suggested); 吃了北京烤鸭 (ate Peking Duck - no difficulty suggested; it was easily available), 吃到了北京烤鸭 (managed to eat Peking Duck - difficulty suggested; there may have been many people waiting in line) 5. used after certain verbs to mean touch upon: 说到了你 (mentioned you) 写到了这件事 (touched upon this matter in writing); 问倒了这个问题 (this question was brought up) I hope this will help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakingcrane Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:06 AM Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:06 AM Thank you All for helping me. 谢谢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuechengfeng Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:44 AM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:44 AM What is a dimunitive adverb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claw Posted September 25, 2004 at 10:06 AM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 10:06 AM What is a dimunitive adverb? Sorry... there are actually two uses of ＸＸ地, one is to change an adjective Ｘ to an adverb, and the other is to give the the adjective a diminutive meaning. I ended up conflating the two. Anyway, here are examples of each: Adjective to Adverb: 他慢慢地走 = He walked slowly. Diminutive Adjective: 紅紅地的眼睛 = reddish eyes (the ＸＸ地 is similar to the English -ish suffix, so 紅紅地 means reddish, or a bit red) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted September 25, 2004 at 12:54 PM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 12:54 PM Diminutive Adjective: 紅紅地的眼睛 = reddish eyes (the ＸＸ地 is similar to the English -ish suffix, so 紅紅地 means reddish, or a bit red) No, I don't think so. I think this is incorrect, but I am very poor at explaining about grammar. (In Cantonese 紅紅地 does mean reddish, though.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepokergod Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:58 PM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 02:58 PM Using the wrong "de" would confuse the hell out of me. In PRC i have only ever been taught used to link a descriptive phrase with a noun: descriptive phrase - 的 - (noun) used to indicate the result or the potential of a verb: verb - 得 - adjective converts an adjective into a diminutive adverb: duplicated adjective - 地 - (verb) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest Posted September 25, 2004 at 04:17 PM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 04:17 PM Diminutive Adjective: 紅紅地的眼睛 = reddish eyes (the ＸＸ地 is similar to the English -ish suffix, so 紅紅地 means reddish, or a bit red) I think xx哋 (高高哋，瘦瘦哋，肥肥哋) is a Cantonese-only usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ala Posted September 25, 2004 at 06:39 PM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 06:39 PM In Shanghainese: 的 = tich [tiI?] 得 = tach [t6?] 地 = di [di] All different. 的 is rarely used, usually only in lexical terms, like 的确. Adjective modifier particle uses 个 äch [h6?]. Mandarin 得 (verbial) is either 嘞 [lach] or 得来 [taele] Redish = 红希希 önshishi [ho~ Si Si] Pinkish = 发红希希 faeönshishi [f6? ho~ Si Si] Redish (glowing) = 红通通 önthonthon [ho~ tho~ tho~] Yellowish = 黄哈哈 wanhaha [hua~ ha ha] Rather stupid = 戆喊喊 ganhehe [ga~ hE hE] or 戆希希 ganshishi [ga~ Si Si] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claw Posted September 25, 2004 at 07:14 PM Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 at 07:14 PM I think xx哋 (高高哋，瘦瘦哋，肥肥哋) is a Cantonese-only usage. Ah okay... I'm mixing up my Mandarin and Cantonese. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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