papen Posted December 8, 2010 at 08:49 PM Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 at 08:49 PM Hi. First of all I want to say that I know Mandarin. I just want to know that if there's any similar (or at least close) between Mandarin and Vietnamese tones. I know how to pronouns it but when my friend asked me, I just can't explain to him/her. Oh, by the way, this is my pronunciation for both Vietnamese and Mandarin tones for people who don't know the tones: here is my pronunciation of 6 vietnamese tones: a á à ả ã ạ ; ma má mà mả mã mạ http://www.box.net/shared/dqnmirney7 and here is my pronounciation of 4 mandarin tones: 妈 麻 马 唛 http://www.box.net/shared/njuvo7aqoy excuse me for my bad mandarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hofmann Posted December 9, 2010 at 12:25 AM Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 at 12:25 AM A rough search in a dictionary yields: ngang:陰平 huyền:陽平 hỏi:陰上 ngã:陽上 sắc:陰去 nặng:陽去 sắc with ending consonant:陰入 nặng with ending consonant:陽入 Therefore, almost all ngang tones should correspond to Mandarin tone 1. Almost all huyền tones should correspond to Mandarin tone 2. Hỏi and ngã tones should correspond to Mandarin tone 3. Sắc and nặng tones should correspond to Mandarin tone 4. As to whether or not some Mandarin tones sound like Vietnamese tones, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyYenKhang Posted January 25, 2011 at 06:13 AM Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 at 06:13 AM Vietnamese Ngang Tone corresponds to Tone 1 in Mandarin and Vietnamese Hoi Tone corresponds to Tone 3. However (and this is what is difficult to me to adjust to after speaking Vietnamese for so long) the Sac tone in Vietnamese is much more strong than Tone 2 in Mandarin. Similarly, Tone 4 in Mandarin is like a mix between the Huyen and Nang tones in Vietnamese. Its interesting how tones shift when translated from Mandarin to Han-Viet though. I've notived that a lot of words reverse the tone (for example hun2 (soul) becomes hồn; some words stay the same though, like zhong1 becomes trung, hao3 becomes hảo, etc etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members xuehanyu37 Posted January 31, 2011 at 05:36 PM New Members Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 at 05:36 PM Hi, I am vietnamese, i am learning a little bit mandarin, i would think: Vietnamese Ngang tone corresponds to tone 1 in Mandarin, Hoi tone corresponds to tone 2 or tone shandi of two 3rd tone, Nga tone there is no corresponding in Mandarin tone, Nang tone corresponds to tone 3 and Sac tone to tone 4. The Vietnamese Huyen tone corresponds to the Tone 3.5 like the tone shandi of a 3rd before a 4th tone in Mandarin. Rgds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insula Formosa Posted June 16, 2012 at 02:45 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 at 02:45 AM Are there any rules in the correspondance between the tones of Mandarin and Vietnamese cognates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelyus Posted June 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM (edited) With the "layers" of Sino-Vietnamese borrowing (similar to kan-on, go-on etc. in Japanese), things can get murky quite quickly, despite the neat system of tone correspondences quoted above. Edited June 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM by Michaelyus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiana Posted June 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM The safest approach is not to learn one tone system through another even if you believe there are some correspondences. Once you've mastered the system on a very solid ground, only then that you should think of taking advantage of the similarity. I believe that as far as tones go, if you learn them erroneously at the beginning, you'll have to spend years to correct the mistakes, so I don't think the shortcuts are really worth it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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