gorgeous_george Posted May 30, 2005 at 12:44 PM Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 12:44 PM Does any have any idea what 首歌 means. I can't find it in any dictionaries. Is it slang of some sort? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:08 PM Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:08 PM 歌 means "song". 首 is the count word (量詞) for "song", which helps indicate the number/quantity of "songs". If there is "one song", you don't say 一歌, you have to say 一首歌. If there are "three songs", you don't 三歌, you have to say 三首歌. ok? (PS - if it is really a new slang, I would like to know about it too. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:09 PM Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:09 PM 首shou3 is a measure word for songs. I suppose 首歌 shou3 ge1 could be short for 一首歌 yi1 shou3 ge1 and mean "a song." Does this fit the context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgeous_george Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:39 PM Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 01:39 PM a measure word! of course. sorry, was a stupid question. thanks for the replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinChase Posted May 30, 2005 at 03:15 PM Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 03:15 PM skylee is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted May 30, 2005 at 09:31 PM Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 at 09:31 PM Does anyone know the logic of "selecting" 首 as a measure word for 歌? Why would songs and poems be thought to come in units of "heads"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibo77 Posted June 5, 2005 at 08:25 AM Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at 08:25 AM I don't know the logic but it has been used for awhile, and "首" is a 通假字 with "作 work (as in work of art)" in 上古汉语Ancient Chinese, which means they sounded roughly the same. But now, people use "首", and never say "一作歌". -Shìbó Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted June 5, 2005 at 09:30 AM Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at 09:30 AM Besides 首, 支 can also be use on songs. 闕 is also ok (that is, where appropriate ). In Cantonese, we also say 一隻歌. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altair Posted June 5, 2005 at 01:04 PM Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at 01:04 PM I don't know the logic but it has been used for awhile' date=' and "首" is a 通假字 with "作 work (as in work of art)" in 上古汉语Ancient Chinese, which means they sounded roughly the same. But now, people use "首", and never say "一作歌".-Shìbó [/quote'] That does seem to explain things quite nicely. Besides 首, 支 can also be use on songs.[...]In Cantonese, we also say 一隻歌. Thanks for this, I was not aware of these usages. 闕 is also ok (that is, where appropriate ). Your comment made me run to my 汉语量词词典 A Chinese-English Dictionary of Measure Words. It has 178 measure words, but, unfortunately, nothing on 闕. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted June 5, 2005 at 02:34 PM Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at 02:34 PM Your comment made me run to my 汉语量词词典 A Chinese-English Dictionary of Measure Words. It has 178 measure words, but, unfortunately, nothing on 闕. ! Sorry, my fault. I have typed the wrong word (too small, couldn't see clearly). It should be 闋 (que4), not 闕 (que1/4). This is from 現代漢語辭典 -> 闋 que4 (1)[書]終了；樂~。 (2) 量詞。 a)歌曲或詞一首叫一闋：彈琴一~│填一~詞。 B) 一首詞的一段叫一闋。 Also here -> 量詞。計算歌、詞、曲的單位。史記．卷七．項羽本紀：「歌數闋，美人和之。」 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhwj Posted June 5, 2005 at 02:59 PM Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at 02:59 PM For a less arcane reference on 阕, there's the incredibly popular song 《千千阕歌》. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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