ZhangKaiRong Posted August 29, 2016 at 04:12 PM Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 04:12 PM So, there is this Japanese anime/manga called Shirokuma Cafe, a hilarious show featuring a polar bear, a panda and a penguin. In one episode, Panda starts to have a diet because he feels that he is overweight. The polar bear (who is a real "troll" character) then says that Panda should not feel down, as one of the origin stories behind the Western name "panda" comes from the foreigners exploring China and mishearing 胖的猫熊 as "panda". I know that the actual origin of the panda name is still under dispute, and the most supportive might be that the word panda has Nepalian origin and has nothing to do with the Chinese name. Is there any evidence supporting the 胖的 version, or was it completely made up for the anime to support that scene? (which could be totally understandable knowing that the polar bear is a pun-obsessed character). I couldn't find any Chinese sources that would support this but maybe some fellow forum member saw something before Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted August 29, 2016 at 06:04 PM Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 06:04 PM I read a bit of this manga and remember the panda's obsession with puns — it used to make me wonder how they translated it. But I guess I never got as far as the 胖的 bit as I can't remember it. Anyway, this isn't expert knowledge by any stretch of the imagination, but I would be very surprised if 胖的 was the original name in Chinese for a panda, as one wouldn't expect to see humorous, colloquial modern Mandarin used for a name that predated 熊貓／貓熊. Even the joke name on uncyclopedia seems more plausible. As a general rule, if an animal has a two character name then it's probably a loan word or was considered a subcategory of a broader animal group. For example, 駱駝 is pretty universally regarded as a loan word. The difficulty with 熊貓 is whether it's 熊貓 or 貓熊, as it would help us decide whether the animal was concidered a type of cat or a type of bear. It seems that it's only exclusively called 貓熊 in Taiwan, which makes me think it was a later rationalisation (it seems more like type of bear than a cat so it should be 貓熊). The biggest problem in working this out seems to be that there is a panda-shaped hole in pre-modern Chinese culture. Animals feature in poetry and paintings all the time, but pandas apparently are nowhere to be seen. Some mythological animals have been tentatively identified as pandas, but apart from that, there isn't a pre-modern name for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vellocet Posted August 30, 2016 at 03:15 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 03:15 PM I think it's just a joke and you shouldn't take it seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:28 PM Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:28 PM Right up there with the old story that China got it's name from all the 拆 signs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhangKaiRong Posted September 1, 2016 at 03:10 PM Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 at 03:10 PM Thanks for the replies, then it must have been a joke (at least went quite well with that episode, haha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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