New Members angelsallaround Posted July 13, 2017 at 09:03 PM New Members Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 at 09:03 PM Four years ago I decided to leave my school in China after suffering with depression to the point where I felt trapped in a disingenuous school in a country i loved yet feared. There were many reasons over a prolonged period of time why but most were the legitimacy and general behavior of the school towards all staff. Prior to this job I had taught internationally for twelve years so knew a dodgy job when I saw one. When the day came my resignation meeting was very quickly turned into a disciplinary hearing by them where I was berated for about thirty minutes before being told that if I left they would contact police and share their concerns about my behavior and wanting to break contract. I went home, sobbed a bit and wrote a resignation letter which was accepted/acknowledged at least before leaving about 3 minutes later on a plane. A wise decision on reflection and I wasn't the first or last one to receive similar treatment and threats. A terrifying time for me personally. I have spent the past four years of my life turning down international jobs I have applied for but then lost the courage to accept as I have this overwhelming fear the China thing might crop up and at worst i'm on some list for breaking contract, or committing a crime I didn't commit. I guess my question is how can I know I'm not on some list somewhere and how can I get over this? Surely others have stories like this right? This has affected me and my families lives for four years now. How can I know everything is in a country I have no intention of ever going back to!xXx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MangoESL Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:10 PM Popular Post Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:10 PM They're most likely were just using scare tactics to try and force you not to leave. You really shouldn't be worried at all. In the absolute worst case scenario they might have tried to get you blocked from working in China for a few years, which is very unlikely and wouldn't affect you working in any other country. There's no internationally shared list that would be shared with other countries. So (1) you can most likely work in China with no real problems except maybe getting a work reference from the company (2) You can most certainly work in any other country you like with no problems related to breaking a contract early 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members angelsallaround Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:15 PM Author New Members Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:15 PM Thank you and of course...... I know this truly in my heart and must move forward. My major concern is simply after all this time I guess I convinced myself that they may have made up lies to police About anything they do wished as they threatened to us and other teachers. We haven't heard anything of course but always a worry. It really shook my confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiao Kui Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:31 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 at 11:31 PM what happens in China stays in China ;) Mostly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted July 14, 2017 at 08:20 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 08:20 AM 9 hours ago, angelsallaround said: My major concern is simply after all this time I guess I convinced myself that they may have made up lies to police About anything they do wished as they threatened to us and other teachers. Possibly. And possibly this particular school in this particular place have a good relationship with the local police. Generally I think it would be wise to not return to that school, and perhaps also not to that city and the immediate vicinity. You probably wouldn't get in trouble even then (it was a long time ago and they're not going to care that much. You were a teacher who years ago displeased them a bit, not their mortal enemy whom they're going to wage a lifelong vendetta against), but it's probably better to avoid these people. Apart from that, the world is your oyster. Sure you can run into trouble, there are no guarantees. But your China experience won't follow you, I'm sure of that. Good luck, and have a great time! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members angelsallaround Posted July 14, 2017 at 08:22 AM Author New Members Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 08:22 AM Thank you. This is very reassuring. I hope I get the confidence to get this thing done and move away again. I gave up my career over something so stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dnevets Posted July 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM Popular Post Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM I personally knew three people who were fired and put on a list that was meant to block them from working/returning to China - but in reality, it didn't stop them at all. I know for certain that two of them returned and found more teaching work within a matter of weeks (even in the same city), and I heard that the third person did the same (but went to a different city). The "list" - if it even exists - means nothing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy-meiguoren Posted July 14, 2017 at 01:19 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 01:19 PM You did the right thing getting out of that toxic workplace. They were messing with your mind, trying to beat you down. Get out there and go for doing what you love to do. There are good people everywhere. There are jerks, too, but they don't matter. When I was starting out in my career, I hit a couple of snags that left me without work for a while. It was discouraging, but I eventually found work in my field again. Don't give up. My incident happened 35 years ago. If any boss tries to flip me any crap, I'm at the age where retirement is an option. I can walk out and never look back. Hang in there. This will also be your reward when you stick it out for the long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members angelsallaround Posted July 14, 2017 at 02:06 PM Author New Members Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 02:06 PM Thank you all, this means a lot. I have offers from Russia and France. Russia is double the pay and a more exciting country for me, a better school too generally but..........visa. Should I make my life easier and take a lesser job just to avoid any visa bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted July 14, 2017 at 04:48 PM Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 at 04:48 PM Only you can make that choice, but if you're interested in living in Russia, I think you should at least try. Visa hassle is the kind of hassle that can be resolved with determination and throwing lots of paper at it (assuming of course that the job and the school are legit and will give you all the necessary papers). I think you should go for the more exciting option now, because often, as we get older we have less and less interest in doing difficult things (like living in Russia). If you wish to live in Russia at some point, and you have an opportunity to do so now, you should go for it. You can always try and go to France at some later point. Good luck! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted July 15, 2017 at 01:54 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 at 01:54 AM 11 hours ago, angelsallaround said: Should I make my life easier and take a lesser job just to avoid any visa bother? Oh yes, by all means. Always take the easiest, safest course in life. If you follow your dream, you might incur some bother; you might get a few little bumps and scratches. That would be terrible; that would be the end of the world. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flickserve Posted July 15, 2017 at 05:27 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 at 05:27 AM 15 hours ago, angelsallaround said: Should I make my life easier and take a lesser job just to avoid any visa bother? How did you pickup courage to go to another country in the first place? To be honest, given you said you got depressed and negative (dare-I-say) overreactions after that, taking a lesser job may be better for your psychological well being. You might not be the sort of personality who can take a negative experience, get over it and use it to learn for the future. And in that scenario, staying small and safe is indeed a better option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edelweis Posted July 15, 2017 at 06:49 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 at 06:49 AM After a traumatic experience such as the one you experienced in China, it could be useful to build back confidence gradually - so start with something a little easier then work up to more difficult things later. Full disclosure: I live in France and have no special interest in Russian language or culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbering Ox Posted July 15, 2017 at 07:42 AM Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 at 07:42 AM 5 hours ago, abcdefg said: Oh yes, by all means. Always take the easiest, safest course in life. If you follow your dream, you might incur some bother; you might get a few little bumps and scratches. That would be terrible; that would be the end of the world. People have different tolerances and preferences when it comes for adventure. Some people have no problem shleping a ring across Middle Earth to Mordor whereas other people would think "blimy that's dangerous" and stay home for their second breakfast. I might be the size and have the looks of an Ogre but my inner hobbit says there is nothing wrong with playing it safe. And now for something completely different from Monty Python. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6hFk8jtvo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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