sunwukong88 Posted November 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM Hello there everybody :)!! I have a question about the a sentence I have found in a story posted here http://chinesereadingpractice.com/2014/08/26/story-behind-the-idiom-zhuan-xin-zhi-zhi/ The sentence is as follows: 秋有两个学生，一起跟他学习下棋。 I am a bit confused by the sentence that starts with 一起. According to what I have studied so far the simple construction should be the following one: Subject + 一起 + Verb Ex. 他们一起学习下棋。 or Subject + 跟 + subject + 一起 + Verb 他跟他的学生一起学习下棋。 他们俩跟秋老师一起学习下棋。 For this reason I do not recognise the construction used in the original sentence. Is it also correct to say "一起 + 跟 + 2nd Subject + Verb"? Thanks in advance P.S. This is the reference I have found about the 跟…一起 construction.https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Expressing_"together"_with_"yiqi" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Jiang Posted November 30, 2017 at 12:59 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 at 12:59 PM I think the sentence is correct： 5 minutes ago, sunwukong88 said: 秋有两个学生，一起跟他学习下棋。 It's the structure Subject + 一起 + Verb. The complete sentence is： 秋有两个学生，（这两个学生）一起跟他（秋）学习下棋。 这两个学生-subject+一起+跟他学习下棋（Verb phrase） 跟sb.学习sth.=learn sth. from sb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunwukong88 Posted December 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM Thanks for your reply! About this one 跟sb.学习sth.=learn sth. from sb. Could you please show me where I can find it? Is that a passive structure then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publius Posted December 5, 2017 at 02:59 PM Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 at 02:59 PM No, it's not passive. The Modern Chinese Dictionary 《现代汉语词典》 has this entry: ④介词，引进动作的对象。a)同：有事要～群众商量。b)向：你这主意好，快～大家说说。 So in the first sense 跟 is interchangeable with 同 which means 'with'. https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Expressing_"with"_with_"gen" In the second sense 跟 is interchangeable with 向 which among other things can mean 'from'. https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Expressing_"towards"_with_"xiang"#.E5.90.91_as_.22from.22 This 'learn from' sense is derived from the basic sense of 跟: ①（～儿）脚的后部或鞋袜的后部：脚后～｜高～儿鞋。 ②在后面紧接着向同一方向行动：他跑得快，我也～得上｜我们永远～着党走。 跟 = heel -> at/on someone's heels -> to follow someone closely -> (to learn/borrow/etc) from someone Your sentence is not 跟……一起. It's (A&B一起)跟C学习D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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