Tomsima Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:39 PM With all the polyglot debate that has flared up again recently here, and reading through some (heated) comments, it got me thinking. It often seems to be suggested that the commercial 'polyglots' are only capable of so many languages as the languages they speak are all or mostly from the same European language group. And thus they often slow down or even give up when trying an unrelated language such as Mandarin. What I am more interested in is, how many people here (or across the interwebs) can speak multiple chinese dialects/languages to a high degree of fluency? Is there anyone who can claim to be a Chinese language polyglot? Can you speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Minnanhua, Shanghaihua, and Sichuanhua all to a C1/2 level of fluency? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippen (inactive) Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:58 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 03:58 PM Would it not be better to use "call on" rather than "call out" ? :-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmayo Posted February 24, 2018 at 04:01 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 04:01 PM Gosh, and would there be many Chinese people at C1/2 for English, Spanish, French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese? Mike/Michael Campbell is the name that springs to mind, he's studied lots of Chinese dialogues, certainly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted February 24, 2018 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 07:04 PM 3 hours ago, Tomsima said: Can you speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Minnanhua, Shanghaihua, and Sichuanhua all to a C1/2 level of fluency? Foreigners (without Chinese background) who speak even any two of those to a C1/2 level are as rare as hens' teeth. I doubt that there are even any Chinese people who speak all of those. In my experience, Chinese people who speak more than one dialect tend to have grown up in a dialectal area and have parents who each speak a different dialect. Even in this situation, they would only have exposure to four languages, and may not speak all of them well. The closest I know of anyone in this situation is a Bouyei girl from Guizhou who speaks Mandarin, Guizhouhua (which is essentially a dialect of mandarin anyway), Bouyei language and some other minority language, though she could not tell me what it was (Zhuang maybe). And I guess this doesn't count anyway, as Bouyei and Zhuang are not, I suppose, what you are referring to as Chinese dialects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJonesLocker Posted February 24, 2018 at 08:44 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 at 08:44 PM how do you even test a C1/C2 level is dialects? Are there a standardized test in China for anything but standard Mandarin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hofmann Posted February 25, 2018 at 02:00 AM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 02:00 AM Looking at the reference levels, C2 is comparable to Superior in the ACTFL proficiency guidelines. Proficiency in terms of the ACTFL guidelines is usually determined by an oral proficiency interview (OPI). You might have seen some test administrators-in-training offering mock interviews around here. Although it's oral, we can usually expect a comparable written proficiency in test takers. It may be different in Chinese languages. Haven't looked into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkeNYU Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:22 AM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:22 AM Being fluent in all of the major Chinese topolects (Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese, Hakka, Hokkien) is like being fluent in all of the major Latin topolects (Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian). In both cases, you're a polyglot, but a branch-based one, which is less impressive than a polyglot who knows Arabic, German, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, and Swahili. Yes, Mike Campbell can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:48 AM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:48 AM Had a couple of Tibetan friends who spoke two dialects of Tibetan (Khamba and Lhasa) and two of Mandarin, Sichuanhua and Putonghua. Old classmate had an American boyfriend who spoke good Minnan as well as Guoyu, only non-PRC citizen who springs to mind - actually, saying that several BBC classmates spoke Cantonese and Mandarin though former usually learned at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:52 AM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 05:52 AM I know an interpreter who speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese and can work between all three and English. He is someone I consider quite impressive, and I think he has dabbled in Hokkien but I don’t think he is fluent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted February 25, 2018 at 08:07 PM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 08:07 PM I know an interpreter who works in Mandarin, Cantonese and Minnanese (to Dutch). I never heard his English but he works in academia, so I assume he has a good mastery of that as well. He recognises a few more dialects, although I don't know to what extent he speaks those. His abilities awe me. A Chinese person once told me of a classmate of theirs who bragged about his four languages. Turned out they were Zhuang, Guangxihua, Mandarin and English. People were not nearly as impressed when he told them it was those four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsima Posted February 26, 2018 at 03:17 AM Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 03:17 AM 7 hours ago, Lu said: People were not nearly as impressed when he told them it was those four. Having lived in guangxi and been completely bamboozled on a daily basis, I feel like they've got some bragging rights. Zhuang is so different, I bet if they said their languages were mandarin, Vietnamese, Thai and English people would be really impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studychinese Posted February 26, 2018 at 10:48 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 10:48 AM I wouldn't mind knowing a little Cantonese. Not "fluent" like these "polyglots", but enough to order food and ask directions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted February 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM 8 hours ago, Tomsima said: Having lived in guangxi and been completely bamboozled on a daily basis, I feel like they've got some bragging rights Oh I agree. If I'm not mistaken, Guangxihua is a type of Mandarin, but Zhuang, Mandarin and English? That's impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobm Posted February 27, 2018 at 05:41 AM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 05:41 AM I have been to Malaysia and I have met some ethnic Chinese there who speak more than one Chinese language. My very close Malaysian colleague can speak Fookien (he is from Penang), Mandarin, and understand Cantonese. He can speak English and Malay also~ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippen (inactive) Posted March 3, 2018 at 02:05 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 at 02:05 PM There was a German guy that impressed me with his funny videos in both Chinese and Shanghainese. One where he mocks his mother in law and imitates her shanghainese but I could not immediately find it. another example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEVE8YpvhWM I was gonig to mention Mike Campbell but people already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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