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Jan Finster

Chinese Text Analyzer vs DuShu App

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Jan Finster

Is there anyone, who has used both Imron's Chinese Text Analyzer and the DuShu App (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trescher.dushu&hl=de).

 

I am currently using DuShu and it seems to do a lot of things really well:

a) importing texts and extracting sentences. Letting you study sentence by sentence. 

b) assigning HSK levels to words

c) providing pinyin & translation 

d) saving vocabulary, creating flashcard and several exam functions...

 

How do both programs compare?

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mirgcire

You can find a detailed review of Imron's Chinese Text Analyzer here written 5 years ago.

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furiop
5 hours ago, Jan Finster said:

Chinese Text Analyzer and the DuShu App

 

I'm using DuShu (only Android) since the first version, and I am very satisfied.

Very different apps.

 

In DusShu the interlinear pinyin of unknown word is very useful and there are a loto of tools (in full version): flashcards from text, text to speech, translation via Google,  exercices, vocabulary (only in english), characters strokes and so on...

No windows version (but using scrcpy with phone in debug mode, you "copy the screen" of the smatphone and interact using mouse or touch).

 

Chinese Text Analyzer is interesting, for windows or mac, but in my opinion is only a draft version. Anyway is written in Lua scripting language (also used in game programming), so I think that in future there will be a lot of improvements.

 

 

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Shelley
1 hour ago, mirgcire said:

You can find a detailed review of Imron's Chinese Text Analyzer here written 5 years ago

I think that will be a bit out of date, from what I have followed there have been many improvements and changes. 

 

I would also agree with @furiop that they completely different tools.

 

There is a very busy thread here https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/44383-introducing-chinese-text-analyser/

 

 

 

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ZhuoMing

I have never used this DuShu app, but it sounds like a reader app, perhaps like the pleco reader? I could be wrong.  Regardless, I have always seen CTA as a program for analyzing the text - the value of it is the stats on the right side of the window.  I have always used CTA solely to find suitable material, not for doing the actual reading on, which appears to be the purpose of DuShu.  

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imron
5 hours ago, ZhuoMing said:

I have always used CTA solely to find suitable material, not for doing the actual reading on

And this was very much the guiding purpose when I designed CTA.

 

Other people might use it for other things (and that's a good thing!), but for me I designed it so that I could determine whether something was appropriate to read (or which of several texts would be the most appropriate) based on my current level, and then also so that I could extract high-frequency unknown vocabulary from those texts, because learning the high-frequency words will provide the biggest payoff in terms of understanding.

 

It was not primarily designed as a reader for text (and it shows), because I believe that electronic readers with popup aids for pronunciation and translation are detrimental to developing the skills necessary to read without those aids.

 

6 hours ago, furiop said:

Anyway is written in Lua scripting language

It's written mostly in C++ (with some Objective-C on macOS), with Lua scripting available to end users who want to do custom text processing but don't want to have to wait for me to get around to adding new features :mrgreen:

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Jan Finster

This really helped me. I guess they are very different programs.

 

Does CTA do any translation or automatic pinyin assignment?

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furiop
9 hours ago, ZhuoMing said:

DuShu app, but it sounds like a reader app

 

Not only, it is a tool for learning written / spoken chinese TROUGH texts.

 

During reading activity you can also test your knowledge of the text (till a specific point), learning unknown words (definition, writing, pronuciation, frequency, level,...).

It is not compulsive, but you can use flashcards text-driven and multiple answer test.

There are also statistics about the text and a classification of the level of difficulty.

 

Where are texts? DuShu start with a long list of sentences of HSK1 to HSK6 levels and links to sites like iMandarinPod, JustLearnChines

 

You can test the free app, but, in my opinion, the pro version is not expensive, and worth the cost.

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imron
2 hours ago, Jan Finster said:

Does CTA do any translation or automatic pinyin assignment?

No, but it does allow you to look up the meaning of words.  Although one of it's more controversial features is that whenever you do that CTA automatically marks the word as "unknown", based on the premise that if you knew it, you wouldn't have needed to look it up in the dictionary, and CTA wants you to confront the words you don't know rather then let you pretend you know them when you don't.

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