geek_frappa Posted November 30, 2004 at 11:16 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 at 11:16 PM when is a good time to use 好得很 and when is a good time NOT to use 好得很? i want to use it sometimes, but i just don't know when... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeijingSlacker Posted December 1, 2004 at 12:52 AM Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 at 12:52 AM don't think this is a tricky phrase.Can you give us some examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek_frappa Posted December 1, 2004 at 03:33 AM Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 at 03:33 AM How do you say, "that is a good idea" using hao de hen? do you mean that i can treat hao de hen like a stative verb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiao Yu Posted December 1, 2004 at 05:59 AM Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 at 05:59 AM 好得很's "好" is referring more to someone/something's condition rather than mood or atmosphere, so you have to be asked about someone or something's condition to respond with this phrase. Like how's your mood, how's your new puppy doing...etc. "很好" is a more common and safe way to respond posivitely to any question, though. I'd say the difference between "好得很!" and "很好!" would be that you can use the first in a sarcastic way without meaning to easier than you can with the second way. It's kinda subtle; like the difference between "Just great!" and "Great!" For instance, if someone asks his friend how his relationship with his girlfriend is doing, knowing full well they hate each other, the guy can answer, "Just great; thanks for caring"; "好得很,多谢你关心" and it can easily sound sarcastic. That's my attempt at an explanation...correct me if I'm wrong, people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted December 1, 2004 at 01:55 PM Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 at 01:55 PM How do you say, "that is a good idea" using hao de hen? -> 那個主意好得很！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ced1zh Posted December 12, 2004 at 11:13 AM Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 at 11:13 AM I can consider in some situation 好得很 can be used properly: somebody ask u for a dinner or invite u to attend a party, and u accept it without being modest, say that. (better to add 啊) never try to use that when ur chinese friend say some 客气话(sth. they really dont wanna do) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 7, 2005 at 06:04 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 at 06:04 PM I don't think 好的很 is a very good Chinese. 很好 is more likely to be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunku Posted January 8, 2005 at 07:46 AM Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 at 07:46 AM There is nothing wrong with 好得很! It is perfectly acceptable Chinese. I hear it said a lot here (I actually was under the impression it was kind of regional until I read this thread), but usually in an overly enthusiastic, playful manner (sometimes sarcastic too like Xiao Yu said). Actually, I've heard quite a few adjectives use 得很 in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 8, 2005 at 05:04 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 at 05:04 PM It's acceptable but not perfect Chinese, as we say you are speaking English-Chinese, as not the perfect Chinese. 非常好 may be the alternative way but def not 好得很! If you happen to have chance to ask any Chinese people out there, they would tell you the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunku Posted January 9, 2005 at 08:13 AM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 08:13 AM It isn't English-Chinese! I hear this phrase from Chinese speakers all the time. If it were English-Chinese, why would Chinese native speakers spontaneously say this on their own? I live in China, so of course I have the chance to ask people, but I don't need to ask, because I've heard it spoken before. What leads you to believe that this phrase is somehow bad Chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashiriKata Posted January 9, 2005 at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 09:50 AM It's acceptable but not perfect Chinese Why not perfect? (If you're at Edinburgh Univ, I may be able to guess ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39degN Posted January 9, 2005 at 01:50 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 01:50 PM he is right, it's a correct saying, just sounds a little bit weird from mandarin perspective. people usually say it as self-mockery according to my personal experience. --您这不是挺好嘛! --好, 好, 好得很啊! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaocai Posted January 9, 2005 at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 02:11 PM 我也认为“好得很”在很多情况下，都带有嘲笑、讥讽或者轻蔑的意味。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39degN Posted January 9, 2005 at 02:56 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 02:56 PM you bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 9, 2005 at 10:44 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 10:44 PM I agree with 39degN. If you say 好得很 is not English-Chinese, I take it, and I would say 好得很 is bad Chinese, as we all speak 'bad languages' sometimes, eg, I don't know nothing. It's acceptable and understandable and verbally OK. It's ok if you use it but as a non-Chinese speaker, you've got to be careful because it can be something very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 9, 2005 at 10:55 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 10:55 PM emmm... If I say Im a Chinese, would my word be more convincible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madizi Posted January 9, 2005 at 11:31 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 at 11:31 PM Maybe..... BTW, when I was a child, Black Adder was my favourite TV serial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 10, 2005 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 at 01:04 AM Black adder is funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunku Posted January 10, 2005 at 06:27 AM Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 at 06:27 AM If you say 好得很 is not English-Chinese, I take it, and I would say 好得很 is bad Chinese, as we all speak 'bad languages' sometimes, eg, I don't know nothing. It's acceptable and understandable and verbally OK. It's ok if you use it but as a non-Chinese speaker, you've got to be careful because it can be something very different. Ok, that makes more sense. I agree that it isn't the most grammatically perfect sentence. You would never see it in written Chinese (unless it was from a dialogue!), but colloquially I think it is fine. But you are right that non-native speakers have to be more careful about bending the rules in any language, English included (your "I don't know nothing" is a good example. People will say that, but it isn't correct grammar. You risk sounding ignorant). People might not realize it is intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadder Posted January 10, 2005 at 10:15 AM Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 at 10:15 AM That's right Tsunku, as language learnings we all encounter problems like that. From my personal views, I would not bother to use any bad laguages unless I fully understand how to use them and where, as 好得很 involves lots of emotional implications, it seems better if you use it as 好得很呢/啊 and stress either 好 or 很 at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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