roddy Posted March 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM Back when I first started the forums, I used to run a semi-regular email newsletter. It was nothing spectacular, just a quick rundown on the most popular / interesting topics that had appeared since the last email. I stopped running it after a while. Lately I've been thinking about starting it back up again, and have just purchased some software to manage it with (downloading as we speak). Basically what I'm planning is: No more than weekly mailings. Probably fortnightly. Text only, no HTML Content will be as it was, a run-down on recent notable topics. Potentially if there's interest there might be messages from sponsors / other websites. Edit: Will certainly have the option to opt-in / opt-out Keen to hear any thoughts on this. I want to reach people who are registered users, but don't have the time / inclination to follow the site regularly - so appreciate an edited highlights every now and then. Things I'm curious about are preferred frequency, any preference for text vs html format (from my point of view text is much easier, and I don't see any need for html), and ideas for extra content, and indeed anything else. Roddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venture160 Posted March 17, 2007 at 01:45 PM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 01:45 PM I think this is a good idea, maybe a weekly highlight of the top ten forum posts or whatever you deem to be most interesting. It could get alot of the members we have to come out of the woodwork and looking around. I submit my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted March 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM My opinion is that it's not a good idea. My mailbox gets filled with enough of this kind of thing as it is. I never read it, but it's annoying having to dispose of it all the time. If I'm interested in the forum, then I'll come and visit and read it. If I'm not interested, then the last thing I want is to be bothered by emails about it anyway. Sorry. My opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfrost Posted March 17, 2007 at 04:15 PM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 04:15 PM From a personal point of view, it's annoying to get automated emails I didn't specifically sign up for, even if it's from a forum I'm a member of. It would probably be best to make it an opt-in choice and let users tick some box on the options screen, rather than adding all members to a mailing list en masse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevelyan Posted March 17, 2007 at 06:41 PM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 06:41 PM Roddy --> I trust your judgment as long the email is (1) hand-written and (2) opt-out. Please don't set up something that simply spams people with lists of the most commonly replied to messages however. There are some topics that come up here (such as the antiwave group) that someone who can't visit every day might not catch, and that would be worth hearing about as long as it is a human making the call and writing the copy. I'm happy to get advertising if it supports the site and imagine the sponsors would be the same as with the site normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiardsmike Posted March 17, 2007 at 11:27 PM Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 at 11:27 PM I think the opt-out is the key. As you said, your target is people that don't check in often. Regular users may not appreciate it. Unfortunately, almost all of the feedback on this post is going to be from your non-target group, since they're obviously active readers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 18, 2007 at 01:33 AM Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 at 01:33 AM Thanks for the responses. Should have made clear, users will definitely be able to opt out - in fact you're all going to need to opt-in in the first place. The forums software itself doesn't really allow a proper mailing list with confirmation of subscription emails, automated opt-out, etc, hence I've bought a desktop app to handle it. What I'll probably do initially is send the first one out to all members who haven't visited in the last x number of weeks / months (I'm assuming that recent visitors haven't forgotten the forums yet, plus will see announcements like this), that first one will include opt-in instructions, and after that it's only those who opt-in will get it. I do need to be cautious as the chances of being tagged as spam email are much higher than they used to be. It will also be done manually, and I'll be exercising judgment. If the most popular topic one month happens to be 'Pictures of My Kittens' from the Chat forum, that won't make it in, but a long and detailed review of a good new textbook, even if nobody noticed it on the forum, would definitely get a mention. I'll probably have a 'suggest a topic for the newsletter' topic running. For anyone who's not aware, there are already automated email alerts available on a forum by forum basis - eg See here and look under Forum Tools > Subscribe As Mike says, anyone who's already seen this is probably not the target user. However, ideas are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudra Posted March 18, 2007 at 05:34 AM Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 at 05:34 AM My problem is that when I come back after not checking in for a while there is a huge backlog of new posts that I have to sift through to find what I'm interested in. This is even with subscribing to threads I post to, since this will not pick up related stuff. I tried to auto-alert myself to topics I would be interested in by using pubsub but it never worked for me on chinese-forums for some reason. pubsub is closed so it's moot. Pubsub was going to use search engine-like technology; you put in a bunch of key words. What would be more focused would be a tool that could learn what kinds of topics you were interested in, and alert you when something interesting was posted. It could use an open source text classifier like rainbow which you could either train on posts you find interesting, or perhaps just train it automatically on threads one has contributed posts to. Seems with all the machine language expertise among the membership this might be possible to build a tool from open source parts. Probably google is already working on it. Unfortunately I don't have time to do this, or I would have done it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Posted March 18, 2007 at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 at 09:50 AM How about also posting the newsletter to the forum and creating a dedicated RSS feed for it? That way we would have an easily accessible archive and (those of us with RSS readers) would be able to read the newsletter without getting anything in our inboxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 18, 2007 at 01:57 PM Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 at 01:57 PM @kudra: I'm looking at ways to alert people to posts they specifically might be interested in, but neither of the two ways I can see of doing it are perfect - one relies on a third-party provider, which I don't like, the other one doesn't do everything I want it to do. I may yet look at coding something myself, but am reluctant as I'm a rubbish coder, and it would almost guarantee that VBulletin would launch a major upgrade next week making my work obsolete. @ninja: I would certainly keep an archive on site, so I guess an RSS feed for it is possible. Got subscription and unsubscription working via both email and web interface now, hoping to tidy it up and integrate it into the forums a little more tomorrow. Once it's all up and running I'll be open to suggestions about other more specialized email lists that might be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Pan Posted March 19, 2007 at 10:34 AM Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 at 10:34 AM It is a very good idea; one every 2 weeks (隔周一次 if don't get confused with this " 隔"); but why not use also html links - for instance on item could be called "the 10 most read threads of the last 2 weeks" and you just click on the ones you are interested in; easy to do and easy to go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 26, 2007 at 04:11 AM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 04:11 AM Here's a first draft of the first newsletter. Comments welcome. I suspect it may be too long, and now I look at it all laid out I can see why the minimal use of some HTML may be a very good idea indeed. Thoughts? ********************************************************* Chinese-forums.com is happy to announce the launch of its regular Newsletter to keep registered members up-to-date on what's new. This first issue has been sent to all users, but to make sure the newsletter reaches only people who want it, subsequent issues will be sent exclusively to users who subscribe. To do so, reply to this email with the subject 'subscribe' or visit this link: http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?page=newsletter And instructions on activating your subscription will be sent to your inbox shortly. 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If you want to give it shot, log in and click the below link http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42 Ever want to type Pinyin, but find it's just too much hassle to run that Word macro / go to that web page / open that bit of software you downloaded? No longer, thanks to Pinyinput, programmed by forums regular Imron - download, install and type away. http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/10274-pinyinput-type-pinyin-with-tone-marks ******************************************************* Many thanks for your continued support for the forums, and as always if you have any queries, don't hesitate to contact us at admin@chinese-forums.com. As mentioned above, future issues of this newsletter will only be sent to subscribers, so if you want to keep up-to-date, reply to this email with the subject 'subscribe' or visit this link: http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?page=newsletter And instructions on activating your subscription will be sent to your inbox shortly. 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roddy Posted March 26, 2007 at 04:14 AM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 04:14 AM Additionally, if anyone wants to go through the subscription process, you can follow the instructions above. It's a little messy still and I need to tidy things up a bit, but it should be functional. Main problem is that I still need to run some processes manually, so don't expect an instant response to your requests. As usual . Oh, and I might delete your subscription as I try and figure out how everything works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venture160 Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:02 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:02 AM I think it needs to be trimmed down to no more than 10 top posts. If you want to get people's attention make is short and sweet. Otherwise I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imron Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:06 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:06 AM I hate HTML email :-) However there are people who don't. Whatever you decide you're going to end up annoying one set of users. My vote is for plain text - at least for the first post. Maybe you can have a plain-text/HTML option for users that subscribe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:16 AM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 05:16 AM Yeah, I was aiming for 10, but got overexcited I think. Will trim mercilessly. Subsequent newsletters will be shortly, if only because the 'forgotten who we are?' stuff at the top won't be needed. I wouldn't want to use much html, certainly no images. But having User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some of your own favourites. is going to look a lot better (especially when you consider it would be done over the newsletter as a whole) than User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some of your own favourites. http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/8195-best-of-chinese-study-tools-studying-chinese-online-and-off I think all those free-floating urls make it look a bit scrappy. Plus I might like to have a sub-heading or two, but I guesss I could do ******that******* like ****** this ****** or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted March 26, 2007 at 06:09 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 06:09 AM Not sure why people don't like email with html in it, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Personally, I agree with Roddy that the second version, with html, looks much better, more professional too. I don't think I would subscribe though, I stop by here almost every day, a newsletter would be redundant for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted March 26, 2007 at 06:31 AM Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 06:31 AM The trouble with HTML email is that you can't be sure everyone sees it as HTML. I have people who think they're sending me Meanwhile, in other news on our site . . . But actually what I get is Meanwhile in other news on our site . . . As you say, anyone who is visiting every day will probably find it redundant. But if you are an occasional visitor I think it would be useful. Already got one subscription Edit: And quiet congratulation to Lu on joining the 1000-post club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imron Posted March 26, 2007 at 08:13 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 08:13 AM Not sure why people don't like email with html in it, but I'm sure they have their reasons.because some people (notably computer types) disable HTML in email because it poses a security risk, or if they're really computery the might still be using a text-based email reader from their UNIX shell. This means that HTML email turns up as HTML code rather than a nicely formatted text, and it's a pain to try and sort out the text from the markup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 26, 2007 at 08:41 AM Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 at 08:41 AM I used to send out a weekly newsletter with the latest headlines for a news website I used to run, using Mojo Mail (renamed as Dada Mail) to automatically handle the subscribe/unsubscribe function. The newsletters were in text-html dual format, done automatically by Mojo Mail. Such a dual format email would accommodate subscribers using text-based email readers, though I suspect they are very rare nowadays. (Anybody still using pine? elm? or mail?) See http://willmaster.com/possibilities/archives/wmp20021015001.shtml for an example of a dual format email. Here's a similar example done implemented with PHP: http://www.webcheatsheet.com/php/send_email_text_html_attachment.php Perhaps your program could do the same, Roddy. I also used a simple php script to display the latest headlines from the database and add the necessary HTML tags for the URLs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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