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Weyland
15 hours ago, calculatrix said:
On 3/31/2021 at 4:50 AM, roddy said:

Oh, interesting they specify characters per minute for listening speeds. Up to a max of 800. And also for reading.

 

Wow!!! Really??? Who can talk that fast? That is not conversation, that is olympic.

800 syllables per minute is 13 per second.

"One missisippi two missisippi three missi"

I cannot.


Just reading the characters and not (entirely) vocalizing their pronunciation would get you there. However, 800 characters per minute sounds like a lot, but take this piece, 《白杨礼赞》, from the PSC exam. It is around 600 characters per minute and the reading speed is not exactly US cattle actioneer like.

Once your language ability becomes better your start to skim over a ton of the words and skipping the most common/predictable ones, just like you do in your native language, that's how you can have two "the" follow eachother and your brain would only read one. That's also why after you've spend a lot of time reading, but very little time listening, your listening comprehension will still have improved as you have a better gauge for the language, i.e you've become better at predicting the words.

 

I'm an idiot, and instead of taking the number for the characters I took the length of the text I parsed into Notepad++, and forgot to do critical thinking. Forget what I said.

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TaxiAsh

It's a bit frustrating, and terrible for all the learning books, and online channels.

 

Just as a thought, 

I wondered earlier that Ielts is effectively a score of 9 maximum. Perhaps it's to put it in line with that?

 

 

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大块头
1 hour ago, Weyland said:

Just reading the characters and not (entirely) vocalizing their pronunciation would get you there. However, 800 characters per minute sounds like a lot, but take this piece, 《白杨礼赞》, from the PSC exam. It is around 600 characters per minute and the reading speed is not exactly US cattle actioneer like.

 

Is there another audio file you mean to link to? The text is 561 characters and the audio is 3 minutes, making for an approximate speaking rate of 187 CPM.

 

The typical speaking rate of Chinese people reading aloud is 255±29 CPM.

 

The Guinness Book of World Records fastest speaker had a measured speaking rate of 586 words per minute. English words have an average of 1.2 syllables, so that would work out to about 700 syllables per minute. I don't see how 800 CPM is supposed to be comprehensible.

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Tuan Tran

I guess 800 CPM maybe the maximal speaking rate sampled from a testing video, not the average speaking rate of the whole video. Even though it's unrealistic and a bad metric.

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Weyland
1 hour ago, 大块头 said:

Is there another audio file you mean to link to?


No, my brain is mush and literally switched around the text length (bytes of .txt file) with the character count.

I might have gotten a bit too little sleep for the last week+, averaging 2-3 hours a night. Apologies for the confusion.

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roddy
6 hours ago, Tuan Tran said:

I guess 800 CPM maybe the maximal speaking rate sampled from a testing video, not the average speaking rate of the whole video. Even though it's unrealistic and a bad metric.

No, I just misread length as speed, that's all, then Weyland miscalculated something. Nobody is actually using that speed for anything.

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Jan Finster
8 hours ago, TaxiAsh said:

It's a bit frustrating, and terrible for all the learning books, and online channels.

 

It is not necessarily bad that the Chinese language teaching community updates its approach every 10 years. It could lead to innovation and updated material. I very much hope the new material is not just "“old wine in new bottles”  

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erlenwein

Sorry if it's a silly question - is there a de-watermarked printer-friendly version of this file yet? I've tried to play around with ImageMagick but to no avail, and I usually prefer to print materials out to reduce the strain on my eyes.

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erlenwein

Thank you! Yet I wouldn't call it printer-friendly - 253 pages of text in single column? original list has pinyin in it, at least, and the actual word list takes up way less space in total. Thanks nonetheless!

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shawky.nasr
5 minutes ago, erlenwein said:

253 pages of text in single column

You can re-edit the file.

Pinyin, they will add it later.

 

You can generate pinyin as well, using CCedict database.

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大块头
18 minutes ago, shawky.nasr said:

 

Isn't that just the wordlist text file Mike Love shared above saved in a PDF?

 

Give me a few minutes... I'm working on generating a version of the PDF without the watermark and with OCR so it's searchable.

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shawky.nasr
Just now, 大块头 said:

90 MB

How?

original file is 48.7 mb

 

Which kind of method used to remove Watermark? The size should be smaller than 48

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mikelove
1 hour ago, 大块头 said:

Isn't that just the wordlist text file Mike Love shared above saved in a PDF?

 

Yep, just diffed it and aside from converting punctuation to half-width versions it's identical. Really classy.

 

Honestly the main reason I slapped an MIT license on it was the 'no warranty' part - i.e. don't sue me if you fail your HSK because of an OCR error - along with reassuring other developers that they were in fact allowed to use it (rather than being some scary random internet file of uncertain provenance), but acknowledgement would be nice.

 

EDIT: also, 'no warranty' is a big part of why BSD/MIT licenses require you to include a copy of the license notice when you redistribute the data; end users need to also be informed there's no warranty, despite however many intermediaries the data went through to get to them.

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shawky.nasr
1 hour ago, 大块头 said:

The pdf is about 90 MB, too large for that service.

If you can't remove pdf idesign watermark with using Abbyy OCR, would be many mistakes.

 

You can review other people files word by word, as excel or word. (Hard work)

 

It is better to wait official website will share data as excel file.

 

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